Thread: 4.0 Warrior Feedback

Originally Posted by fumofu

I have zero issues with new WAR and love how much simpler it is to play now.

First of all id like to say thank you for speaking for what I can only see as the vocal minority thus far, surprisingly few people have been making posts that only celebrate the new changes so a breath of fresh air is nice.


Now, all pleasantries aside I feel it is important to note that when news was coming out before official announcements came out the message seemed to be, raise the floor not lower the ceiling. It seems that many of the changes to existing jobs were made in the opposite regard, All healers now have only about 3 offense oriented moves which most of the time they are restricted to a single button. Tanks have been streamlined so that more of their game play revolves around constant mitigation as opposed to clever use of combo's and cool downs to be used appropriately. I have avoided pre Storm Blood DPS like the plague only because I haven't had the time to look deeper into changes and see how I have to change my play style. That said it is undeniable that as far as I can tell, DPS among tanks and healers has gone up. Normally this wouldn't be a problem and would suggest that what they did was successful, However, As far as I have seen what appears to have been done is a clever trick of making the floor appear raised by lowering the skill ceiling. Jobs are easier than ever to play at end game now as they have lost a lot of their risk vs. reward elements and been replaced with more consistent and slightly higher potency moves. While nothing is inherently wrong with this from a design stand point it does have a significant game play impact. Essentially When i'm playing an MMO i expect multiple options of actions when I go into a fight. With stormblood's changes however it has made combat feel like i'm playing a 4 button dungeon crawl.

TLDR; What we needed from stormblood to raise the floor was more outlining of important actions and removal of useless ones, what we got was Removal of risky actions that rewarded clever players in favor of less challenging jobs.

Fun is subjective and FFXIV was more fun when fell cleaves came with the possibility of getting crit more and the payout of pacification rather than dime a dozen "well my bar is full I guess, here's 3-6".

Originally Posted by Argyle_Darkheart

The skill ceiling for Stormblood WAR was raised, not lowered.

If you could elaborate that would be great because right now it seems like it was lowered to me. I'm not saying your wrong i'm just saying that I cant see a point you aren't showing me...

Originally Posted by ZaqueXIII

If you could elaborate that would be great because right now it seems like it was lowered to me. I'm not saying your wrong i'm just saying that I cant see a point you aren't showing me...

Certainly. The rotation has become more complicated, there are more gauge spenders (one with dubious usage), there's now an offensive use for Thrill of Battle, there's a much higher opportunity cost for stance switching, and there's a MUCH higher opportunity cost for Unchained.

I've seen people on both sides of the fence about the biggest elephant in the room, which is swapping costing gauge. The thing people seem to fail to remember is that yes, Pld and Drk have to take a GCD to swap stances, but they have complete access to their toolkit regardless of stance, (Exception is stuff like blood weapon for drk, but that's a CD more than an ability). Warrior needs to stance swap to access various moves, so having them be penalized for utilizing the heightened skill ceiling of war is just silly.

Onslaught costing 20 and doing 100 seems balanced around the fact it's got half the CD of plunge. So in theory it's the same dps gain as using plunge, sometimes more, but the cost is silly. I don't think it should generate gauge but at 100 damage and 15cd it'd be just as good or slightly better than plunge. Which is why I'm more of the persuasion to make it 20 sec and keep potency but not cost gauge.

Zerk needs a buff cause it's kinda silly it's worse than Fight or Flight... And infuriate should be usable outside of combat but they can change the gauge where after 30 seconds the gauge drains at like 5 a second to prevent them from chain infuriating pre-boss pull to have war start at full gauge. Works thematically as well since being able to sit on gauge seems odd given Warrior's lore but lets them still be unaffected in combat or doing dungeons since pulls aren't 30 seconds apart.

Course the other thing is they probably don't want wars to be dancing in and out of dps stance which is why inner release and unchained share a CD as well as why it costs gauge to swap but like... That completely contradicts what we love about the class and why warrior players play warrior. WoW already pulled this shit with warrior before and it's why I quit the game. Don't undermine stance dancing, the core reason many people love warrior, for the sake of tank homogenization.