Thread: 4.0 Warrior Feedback

Originally Posted by Reynhart

Then go run Dusk Vigil and tell me how your "only one skill Inner Beast" behave in Deliverance, ok ?

If you had more abilities that aren't tied to your beast gauge, the penalty wouldn't be that harsh. Or, you know, more abilities that could even build your gauge.

I didn't say ib and fc is the same ability. I said steel cyclone and decimate IS the same IF NOT for enemity and animation.

That's my point they are two abilities. So what?

And dusk vigil? Who cares about dusk vigil first of all. And not having fc doesn't reduce your dps below what it's tuned for in dusk vigil anyhow.

And warriors needing MORE skills in HEAVENSWARD is news to me. I thought we were just fine.

As for stormblood, why are you conflating ib and fc and such implementation to your PERCEIVED lack of skills for wars?

How about SE just take my advice and do something about the rage cost of switching stances instead of adding more skills causing more bloat?

And what are you even talking about "more abilities not tied to our gauge" making the penalty less harsh?

Stop talking in generalities. What abilities are you referring to?

What makes it feel "harsh."

The only problem, like I said, is with deliverance. Ie, fc and decimate. If they took out the cost for switching to deliverance the problem is solved. Or if they made it a flat cost or even change infuriate.

Unless you make some specific suggestions, ie what abilities you are suggesting be added and why, im going to assume you're just making stuff up and have no idea what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by Reynhart

It's never too late to fix mistakes. After all, PLD got a new lvl46 skill.

Wasn't that Awareness? That actually kind ticks me off a bit lol

Anyways, no it's never too late - just doesn't seem like anything they worried about it before

Originally Posted by Reynhart

Inner Beast and Fell Cleave should be the same skill and its effect/potency would vary depending on your stance. Same for Steel Cyclone and Decimate.

This would only be feasible if you got Defiance and Deliverance at the same time (when you unlock WAR at lv30). I'm honestly surprised that I don't see more people asking for the two stances to enter the game a lot earlier.

Originally Posted by Duelle

This would only be feasible if you got Defiance and Deliverance at the same time (when you unlock WAR at lv30). I'm honestly surprised that I don't see more people asking for the two stances to enter the game a lot earlier.

Nah, surely there has been other abilities with gated additional effects. It wouldn't matter from a technical point as you'd only be able to access the effect for which stance you are in. Even if it states the effect (as in, a semi-spoiler) it doesn't have to activate

Originally Posted by Leigaon

1. I wouldn't really put PLD so much into this, I mean they switch what do they use their Sword Oath gauge for? If anything Warrior is the one that takes a hit. Then again, maybe they did it for other reasons, because no one would listen otherwise.

2. Just curious, are you finding yourself having issues maintaining your Beast Gauge? Or at least keeping it up?

3. Would you want to keep IR just to help with Deliverance? If you want it unbound from Unchained, would you want it to do something more for Defiance? If so, what? I just want my eyes to go red during Defiance and not due to lack of sleep....

4. I think it's a bit of a nut grab that it only comes to us at 68, but what would you like to see? Would you adjust it for utility to help with the party? Me personally..I'd like to have a small booty wiggle with it. That's just for cosmetic purposes on my fat roe.

5. What is your opener? I'm just curious. I had issues a bit at the beginning, but quickly got to no issues what so ever. You're free to look at my WAR, I don't have STR accessories and I've been through Susano EX, at least the first two phases but never had any hate or TP issues that weren't my own doing. (I'm a filthy casual that's also planning a wedding so I only get X amount of hours a week to play!)

I can understand it being an issue down the road because you vets know better, I'm just a healer from the 1.0 days. I jumped into tanking and have yet to have constant issues with holding hate...but that's what these forums are for. To help people out! Maybe you need to learn something new? Like I did! First I learn to tank, then I learn to pop and lock!

6. I think Bloodbath is on the DPS side for their own reasons, but would you consider maybe a party wide Bloodbath from Warrior? Or is that not a utility that would be useful for you? If not, what about if Inner Release wasn't tied to Unchained, and had the benefit of reducing cost for Defiance moves but also gave a Bloodbath boost (small as it may be, or bigger depending on balance) to your normal moves?

1. Indeed WAR suffers more than PLD from this, still wanted to mention this! Stance dance might be necessary, for example when MT dies. Halving gauge bar at this point is too punishing. If SE wants to keep this penalty, remove it when switching to tank stance, just half gauge when switching to DPS stance.

2. On the contrary, I try to keep my rage above 50, thus keeping my crit/parry bonus above 5%.

3. While I agree that it might be nice/cool to use Inner Release in Defiance, I actually don't see it becoming usefull in tank stance. It might help pulling trash, spamming Steel Cyclone, but your primary role in tank stance is to keep aggro and mitigation, not damage. Neither you would need to use IB 5-6 times to mitigate damage, but once. Still not sure... spamming Inner Beast might be a replacement for Bloodbath there.

4. I think of something like Thrill of Battle for your whole party, maybe +5-10% of your current max. HP.

5. I don't have any hate issues either, even through I don't use Unchained. My opener in trial would be: Tomahawk, Infuriate, SE combo, Onslaught!. This is the only situation I use Onslaught (or boss dungeon quick pulls for giggles). By using this ability I generate so much enmity, I wouldn't lose to any DPS unless I mess up and don't pay attention to aggro meter. And I keep Inner Release, too.

6. Bloodbath on DPS side doesn't sound reasonable to me. Sure, there might be some reasons, but I doubt they are meant for raids which actually is the most important matter. Just my opinion.

SE has to puzzle with those new abilites a bit to figure out actual good use for them. I wouldn't go too deep in this matter for now.

Originally Posted by P4X0R10N

I didn't say ib and fc is the same ability. I said steel cyclone and decimate IS the same IF NOT for enemity and animation.

You're forgetting potency. 200 vs 280. Basically same thing as IB and FC ignoring effects.