4.0 Warrior Feedback

**P4X0R10N** · 07-04-2017 05:45 AM

And what are you even talking about "more abilities not tied to our gauge" making the penalty less harsh?

Stop talking in generalities. What abilities are you referring to?

What makes it feel "harsh."

The only problem, like I said, is with deliverance. Ie, fc and decimate. If they took out the cost for switching to deliverance the problem is solved. Or if they made it a flat cost or even change infuriate.

Unless you make some specific suggestions, ie what abilities you are suggesting be added and why, im going to assume you're just making stuff up and have no idea what you're talking about.

**Reynhart** · 07-04-2017 06:05 AM

Originally Posted by P4X0R10N

Unless you make some specific suggestions, ie what abilities you are suggesting be added and why, im going to assume you're just making stuff up and have no idea what you're talking about.

We could just look at what skills WAR had in 1.x.

Something like Rampage at level 54, that increases attack speed and attack power each time you're hit. Or even Mighty Strikes at level 60, to make all your hits critical for a little time. It would do wonder especially now that WAR don't have Internal Release anymore. Who knows, WAR might have received a free gap closer when Wrath was only spent 5 stacks at a time, meaning that we wouldn't have to suffer the beast cost for Onslaught now...anything besides wasting two "learning slots" for mutually exclusive skills.

Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

Unfortunately it's probably a bit too late.

It's never too late to fix mistakes. After all, PLD got a new lvl46 skill.

**whiskeybravo** · 07-04-2017 06:11 AM

Originally Posted by Reynhart

It's never too late to fix mistakes. After all, PLD got a new lvl46 skill.

Wasn't that Awareness? That actually kind ticks me off a bit lol

Anyways, no it's never too late - just doesn't seem like anything they worried about it before

**YitharV2** · 07-04-2017 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by P4X0R10N

I didn't say ib and fc is the same ability. I said steel cyclone and decimate IS the same IF NOT for enemity and animation.

You're forgetting potency. 200 vs 280. Basically same thing as IB and FC ignoring effects.

**whiskeybravo** · 07-04-2017 05:53 AM

P4X - Equilibrium is one ability that has a different effect depending on your stance - Fell Cleave/Inner beast and Decimate/Steel Cyclone are 4 total abilities. What Reynhart is suggesting is combing them to be the same ability but have a different effect depending on your stance. So you'd have 2 total abilities that each do what they do now - except the effect is tied to your stance just like with Equilibrium. The button bloat is easily dealt with via macro - but the idea that we would have an extra or ability or 2 as a replacement is interesting. Unfortunately it's probably a bit too late. I remember similar complaints about other classes at HW release (dragoon wheeling thrust/fang and claw comes to mind) but they didn't make any adjustments to those until now

**Duelle** · 07-04-2017 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by Reynhart

Inner Beast and Fell Cleave should be the same skill and its effect/potency would vary depending on your stance. Same for Steel Cyclone and Decimate.

This would only be feasible if you got Defiance and Deliverance at the same time (when you unlock WAR at lv30). I'm honestly surprised that I don't see more people asking for the two stances to enter the game a lot earlier.

**whiskeybravo** · 07-04-2017 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by Duelle

This would only be feasible if you got Defiance and Deliverance at the same time (when you unlock WAR at lv30). I'm honestly surprised that I don't see more people asking for the two stances to enter the game a lot earlier.

Nah, surely there has been other abilities with gated additional effects. It wouldn't matter from a technical point as you'd only be able to access the effect for which stance you are in. Even if it states the effect (as in, a semi-spoiler) it doesn't have to activate

**Reynhart** · 07-04-2017 06:58 AM

Originally Posted by Duelle

This would only be feasible if you got Defiance and Deliverance at the same time (when you unlock WAR at lv30).

Not necessarily. After all, Chaos Thrust get its special effect only after you learn Blood of the Dragon, as do several DRK skills learned before Dark Arts.

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