Thread: 4.0 Warrior Feedback

Originally Posted by ArianeEwah

When I play PLD or DRK, my hotbar is filled with skills (specially PLD), yet WAR feels so empty.

Of course it does. A brilliant mind at SE thought it was cool to give you two mutually exclusive skills...three times.
Like I said on another thread, Inner Beast and Fell Cleave should be the same skill and its effect/potency would vary depending on your stance. Same for Steel Cyclone and Decimate. With that, even if Unchained and Inner Release would still share a CD, you'd have room for an additionnal skill to use.

Worst part, they did that with Equilibrium, so it's not like they lacked the idea.

At reynhart, not sure what you're saying. You'd rather inner beast and fc be two buttons? Why...

And other than enmity and animation, steel cyclone and decimate IS the same ability.

As far as inner beast and unchained, it's absolutely fine that they share the same cooldown, because it's fine that unchained would be more useful for tanks sub lvl 70.

The intended mechanic at 70 is to drop defiance, go into deliverance, fc, then return to defiance.

So there really is no problem there.

You could still use unchained on pulls to get threat. But to be honest, I don't even know if that's an absolute must. Didn't do it for Susano Ex and never lost threat so what's the problem?

Also, I feel that Clunkiness is only ever a problem when going from defiance to deliverance. This is because of the difference between the intended gameplay in each stance. In defiance, you don't need to dump your rage right away, but in deliverance you would want to dump it into fc as quick as possible then repeat.

This is partly why paladins feel les clunky. Their dps abilities arent tie dto their oath guage.

I'd suggest lowering changing the infuriate trait to lower infuriate cooldown to 30 secs. And then have the 50 percent guage penalty only apply when switching INTO defiance.

This way you can build rage while in defiance, switch unto deliverance, and either save infuriate and immediately 4x fc OR use infuriate and and 6x fc.

Eliminate the rage cost for onslaught or at the very least remove the rage cost while in deliverance. Ideally, keep the cost and enmity modifier when in defiance, but drop the cost and enemity modifier when in deliverance.

I think these 3 changes, no rage cost when switching into deliverance, no rage cost for onslaught while in deliverance, and infuriate cooldown lowered to a flat 30 secs would MASSIVELY improve warrior gameplay amd make it feel smoother.

Originally Posted by ArianeEwah

PS: Please notice they buffed Defiance dmg penality from 25% down to 20%, so it would be a 20% potency increase.

No, it would still be 25% increase, since you decrease by 20%
350*1.25*0.8 = 350

Originally Posted by P4X0R10N

At reynhart, not sure what you're saying. You'd rather inner beast and fc be two buttons? Why...

No, they should be one skill that changes according to your stance, like Equilibrium.

Originally Posted by P4X0R10N

And other than enmity and animation, steel cyclone and decimate IS the same ability.

No, they're not. Steel Cyclone is your level 45 skill, while Decimate is your level 60 skill. If Steel Cyclone was a skill that behave differently depending on your stance, then you could learn a totally different skill at level 60.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

No, it would still be 25% increase, since you decrease by 20%
350*1.25*0.8 = 350

No, they should be one skill that changes according to your stance, like Equilibrium.

No, they're not. Steel Cyclone is your level 45 skill, while Decimate is your level 60 skill. If Steel Cyclone was a skill that behave differently depending on your stance, then you could learn a totally different skill at level 60.

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I can't tell whether or not you're just being purposely dense.

Originally Posted by Reynhart

No, it would still be 25% increase, since you decrease by 20%
350*1.25*0.8 = 350

No, they should be one skill that changes according to your stance, like Equilibrium.

No, they're not. Steel Cyclone is your level 45 skill, while Decimate is your level 60 skill. If Steel Cyclone was a skill that behave differently depending on your stance, then you could learn a totally different skill at level 60.

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1. You are right, it's actually 25% increase. My bad.

2. I think I got what you were trying to say. Yet this is actually going too far, also throwing off the whole job quest line. We just need a few ability reworks done, the WAR is almost perfect.

PS: Thx for the tip, i figured.

Originally Posted by Reynhart

No, it would still be 25% increase, since you decrease by 20%
350*1.25*0.8 = 350

No, they should be one skill that changes according to your stance, like Equilibrium.

No, they're not. Steel Cyclone is your level 45 skill, while Decimate is your level 60 skill. If Steel Cyclone was a skill that behave differently depending on your stance, then you could learn a totally different skill at level 60.

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Fc and inner beast is the same as equilibrium. They are TWO skills which share one button.

Yes, you do learn fc and decimate after steel cyclone and ib, but the way they function together is identical to the way eq functions.

There's nothing stopping SE from adding more skills to warriors if it's needed. So if that's your issue then there's no need to tie that in with how fc, ib, steel cyclone and decimate currently function.