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  1. #41
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    Capn_Goggles's Avatar
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    Yuri Goggles
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    Ultros
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    Botanist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Nixxe View Post
    ITT we complain about things with literally no downside
    Literally no downsides doesn't make it good, or even worth noting. It makes zero impact on the gathering experience beyond shaving a few microseconds off of your downtime. You're still downing cordials like they're free shots, you're still sitting around with your thumb firmly wedged between your buttocks for a long time doing nothing while your GP meter regenerates.

    Every ability we've gotten from 60-70 has been a solid quality of life improvement, even if it's not necessarily the most useful thing ever. If your husband/wife makes you a clay mug for your birthday you'd be disappointed the same way you'd be disappointed that the trait you've been working to 70 might as well not even exist for all it does.
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  2. #42
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    Roth Trailfinder
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    Midgardsormr
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    Alchemist Lv 90
    You're shaving more than microseconds.

    You got 5 GP back every 3 RL seconds before this trait (excluding times engaged with a node, which drops the natural regen down to 0). Now, you get back an additional 20% - or 6 GP every 3 seconds.

    Timed nodes are every 2 game hours, right? Except for the Ephemeral ones that are up for 4 game hours and down for 20. If you needed to hit 1 node every time they popped, previously, you needed cordials of some sort in order to keep up with your GP usage - especially if you were using one of the Gathering % buffs.

    Now, you get back 720 GP, minus the time lost engaged with a node, plus 5 for every actual collect on that node, for every 2 game hours. That's enough that you can avoid Cordial use entirely, unless you are looking at getting a second node within that 2 game hour window.
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  3. #43
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    Nerfworthy's Avatar
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    Luka Larkspur
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    Jenova
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    Sage Lv 88
    I think this trait is most useful for FSH since we are constantly gaining GP even while fishing. I definitely feel it more when using FSH than BTN, for example.
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    A healers job is to dps and keep the party alive while doing so, you got the wrong idea about healers.

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    SirBrighton's Avatar
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    Magnus Brighton
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    Faerie
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    Paladin Lv 100
    inb4 SE just removes this trait from the game.

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  5. #45
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    Zohar Lahar
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    Jenova
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    Viper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Nerfworthy View Post
    I think this trait is most useful for FSH since we are constantly gaining GP even while fishing. I definitely feel it more when using FSH than BTN, for example.
    Even when spearfishing you regenerate GP.
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  6. #46
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    Baudouin Anjou
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    Moogle
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    Warrior Lv 70
    I really think they should've given something different to miner and botanist. It might work for Fisher, but for what Roth said to be a thing, you'll have to sit on your ass doing nothing in that class for the trait to be meaningful, since actively gathering now reduces your GP regen with this trait.
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  7. #47
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    Roth Trailfinder
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    Actually, whether or not active gathering reduces your GP regen is debatable, depending upon your latency and probably other factors as well. You could gather faster than once every 3 seconds (the GP regen rate) so active gathering was a faster means of regenerating GP (compared to sitting on your duff) prior to this trait. I'm do not know whether active gathering, due to the swing speed, is better or worse than standing GP regen with the trait.

    If the trait were for 7 points of GP regen per 3 seconds, or more, then standing around goofing off would be faster regen, but at 6? I don't know.
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  8. #48
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    Ter'vin Valash
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    Diabolos
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    Ninja Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder View Post
    Actually, whether or not active gathering reduces your GP regen is debatable, depending upon your latency and probably other factors as well. You could gather faster than once every 3 seconds (the GP regen rate) so active gathering was a faster means of regenerating GP (compared to sitting on your duff) prior to this trait.
    Wait. But isn't the gathering animation about 3s in duration? I thought I remembered reading that.
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    If you're incompetent, you can’t know you’re incompetent. The skills you need to produce a right answer are exactly the skills you need to recognize what a right answer is.
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  9. #49
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    Ter'vin Valash
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    Diabolos
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    My above post aside, there's a really simple way to make the level 70 GP trait feel as impactful as it should:

    Instead of having it increase GP regeneration by 20%, have it increase GP generation by 20%. From all sources. Including Cordials.

    Now that would be impactful.

    Or they could just make it effect gathering successes, instead.
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  10. #50
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    Alya Mizar
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    Sargatanas
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    Marauder Lv 72
    It changed nothing for me.

    One hour between nodes still takes a Hi-cordial, 2 hours still takes HQ watered cordial, 3 hours still takes nothing.

    Even if they gave us 6GPs / successful gather as well, it would change nothing.

    I have no complaints, just see no real bonus from this bonus.
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