Summoner Over-Nered (and A few other Problems)

[Ultear_Milkovich]

I tried SMN right before SB and really loved it. Eventually played it to 60 and had a huge blast with all the Aoe damage.

This is not cool

[Tonkra]

Cause at this point, I want heavensward summoner back

And thats why you asking to become a healer? very interesting point..

and no, the summoner job never was able to heal via cure. as it is a white mage skill. (and RDM makes use of WHM and BLM spells)
already said thousand times before that FFVII-FFX/FFXIII/FFXV had no traditional job system, they had no summoner job class.

It's hard to up their DPS when they are constantly dying to room wide aoes.

You're having a really hard time explaining your point without becoming personally condescending.

And i maybe can write it 100 times for you: ask to get back "sustain" (pet HoT) or a even a pet heal. Problem solved.

Being able to heal as a dd is the only uniqueness for RDM as for now. RDM always was and is a semi-support healer.. because he is a hybrid between white magic/black magic/melee. RDM wont ever outdamage a BLM as it looks for now.. so you want to remove that only uniqueness from him by giving Summoner heal which isnt appropiate to his dd role and the job class itself.

So why are you not asking to improve SMN on the other hand to find its own uniqueness (better pets, return of pet-heal)

Additionally improving Physick heal would lead to a decreasing DPS on the other hand because you would spend more time to heal instead of doing damage spells.
This is why getting back sustain would be the much better option.

[Cidel]

And if Red mages get a heal and summoner's dont, it's just another area where Red mages far excel summoners.
Red mages currently outclass Summoners in every way. Mobility? Utility? Dps?

Summoner already has physic, why can't it be useful? It would be no different then giving Summoner second wind on themselves and their pet and a little more reason to keep one around.

It just sounds like to me that if everything you mention holds true enough to be acknowledged by the devs, then RDMs should be seeing a nerf in the future or SMNs a buff somewhere.

I'm not here to theorycraft what SMNs can and should be doing for support in comparison to RDMs; I gave a simple idea for SMNs being able to keep their own pet alive themselves without needing to "bring back" another -1 slot on the hotbar while also not impinging on what designs the devs currently have for SMNs. You want to heal your party members on SMN just as good as RDMs? More power to you. Good luck rallying for that. Truly.

Honestly, I'd rather see SMNs excel in the damage department in Stormblood's first wave of "buffs and nerfs" as a first choice.

[Texa]

So why are you not asking to improve SMN on the other hand to find its own uniqueness (better pets, return of pet-heal)

Because what qualifies as "better" is subjective and not an opinion I necessarily share.

[Tonkra]

It just sounds like to me that if everything you mention holds true enough to be acknowledged by the devs, then RDMs should be seeing a nerf in the future or SMNs a buff somewhere.

I dont see the connection of SMN and RDM in any way personally. SMN is never supposed to be a hybrid job role class or a healing class, but RDM is.

you could also ask why SMN does far less damage than a blm today..

woops. And RDM cant hold up to BLM's damage as well, just because he is a hybrid. Using heal decreases the DPS on the other hand, too. time he could spend using dd spells. when i switch from RDM over to BLM it is clear that the bosses fall much faster than when i would use my rdm.

[Ariomi]

Good luck rallying for that. Truly.

Honestly, I'd rather see SMNs excel in the damage department in Stormblood's first wave of "buffs and nerfs" as a first choice.

Seeing how as there are many people who like the idea of physic being useful, won't be too hard to rally. People like it when they get a skill, and it's useful in someway. Go figure right?

And in the damage department, Smn needs a large overhaul. Aoe? Single Target? all of it.

[Cidel]

Seeing how as there are many people who like the idea of physic being useful, won't be too hard to rally.

Looking forward to the strong Physics then in 4.1. 'Kay thanks, au revoir.

[Tonkra]

And in the damage department, Smn needs a large overhaul. Aoe? Single Target? all of it.

yes give him all. Give SMN the damage burst of a BLM and the heal of a red mage (Though smn isnt a hybrid healing FF job)

This suggestion is completely gross.

- get back sustain

- improve damage (pets or caster)


and we are done.

im pretty sure people like you would also ask for a glamour system that transforms "demi-bahamut" into a shiva that shoots laser beams.

Not enought hat we have a carbuncle using wind magic instead of light.

[Laerune]

Scholar got screwed over aswell. They removed my dots, nerfed my healing skills and that of my fairy. They ruined my mana regen aswell.

[Ariomi]

And thats why you asking to become a healer? very interesting point..

I'm asking for a healing skill, that Summoner already currently possesses, to be buffed so the spell, like the rest of the class can be useful.
Currently Physic needs a buff as much as Summoner does.

Additionally improving Physick heal would lead to a decreasing DPS on the other hand because you would spend more time to heal instead of doing damage spells.

Nope! If I see my pet low on health, I cast Physic on it and it get's healed. Dps gain over losing my pet and having to re-summon. You assume I would be using the skill more then I actually would. The heal would be used in emergencies where something or somebody is about to die, and if that one physic saves me/my pet/that person that one physic is a massive dps increase.