Summoner Over-Nered (and A few other Problems)

[Ariomi]

This is like talking to a wall...

I could say the same thing to you. But you have no idea what you are talking about.

And I've looked at overall dps. A bard's dots have no cast time. Miasma 3 has a cast time. Bard's dots have more potency overall 570 + 670 compared to Summoner's 400 and 450. Your dot's tick harder (100 potency vs Summoner's 80). Bard's dots are so strong they still outdamage Summoner's dots if I use shadow flare.

Summoner's strongest spammable spell is Ruin 3. It is 150 potency and we can cast it 9 times before we run out of mana. It is the same potency as Heavy shot. How many times can you use heavy shot before you are out of tp? (Just making a point. I'm well aware of how dreadwyrm works.)

Oh and Refulgent Arrow and Ruin 4 work almost the exact same way except Summoner's get a 15% chance to use ruin 4 which does 200 potency while bard gets a 20% chance to do 300 potency.

With Barrage and Emp arrow you get 690 potency attack every 90 seconds that can crit for all three strikes. You can use this immediately at the start of a fight. Summoner can't even use ahk morn's 680 potency until we have built up all the aetherflow (takes two minutes)

Pitch perfect even does more damage then death flare does at 3 stacks. Pitch perfect 420 potency vs Deathflare's 400. Bard arguably even beats summoner's Aoe attacks as Summoner has no spammable Aoe move. Every Aoe Summoner has is either on a minute cooldown (Shadowflare, Aetherflow, Radiant Shield Technically since it can hit more then one add) Two Minute cooldown (Ahk morn) or three minute cooldown* (Enkindle). So tell me again... How does a bard with no cast times, stronger dots, higher mobility and stronger attacks not outdps summoner in almost every way?

[Paladinleeds]

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Tin foil hat time, but I'm wondering if this combined with the way SCH has been handled is a way to try and get everyone off SMN/SCH so they [SE] can split it with less community backlash? I know, it's conspiracy theorycrafting to the max, but still, it makes you wonder. Especially with how they have mentioned they wanted to split the job off so it's not 2 jobs bound to a single class.

[Ariomi]

Tin foil hat time, but I'm wondering if this combined with the way SCH has been handled is a way to try and get everyone off SMN/SCH so they [SE] can split it with less community backlash? I know, it's conspiracy theorycrafting to the max, but still, it makes you wonder. Especially with how they have mentioned they wanted to split the job off so it's not 2 jobs bound to a single class.

They have had the longest time to accomplish this. If they wanted to do just that, Why didn't they split if before storm blood? Red Mage and Samurai where in Uldah. They could have easily split summoner and Scholar entirely. Just have them be two separate classes in the Arc guild. If they wanted to do that, I don't get why they haven't.

[Mature]

I'm loving SMN right now specially having this Bahamut thingy.

I wouldn't mind getting miasma 2 back

[Bigcat9715]

Actually, currently Smn is just behind Samurai in the way of Dps. This is the chart of all the dps jobs that been parsed

also a video of a Smn destroying a SSS dummy. Link

[Ralts]

Actually, currently Smn is just behind Samurai in the way of Dps. This is the chart of all the dps jobs that been parsed

also a video of a Smn destroying a SSS dummy. Link

"But they're too weak, 'cause "potency loss", we know better."

[Silverquick]

So... how come they only seem to be able to do that... on target dummys.... not actual combat.

Because the parces talked about here Ariomi... are indeed real. And I've seen it too.

Not to mention the other threads linked here with other SMNs on the last page reporting the same things. No wonder people are leaving this job in large numbers.

[Ariomi]

Actually, currently Smn is just behind Samurai in the way of Dps. ]

And yet, As an Ilvl 296 Summoner, using almost that same rotation, I can't beat the dummy for the Menagerie. A fight I've already cleared.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lS6x8Gy-DwM

Here's a video of My rotation on an ilevel 280 dummy.

The Menagerie. IF you see something that I am doing wrong that is preventing me from beating a fight I'm 16 Ilvl over. I would love to be enlightened about how I should fix my opener.

[Fyce]

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Why are you comparing two jobs while purposefully leaving these aside:
- The pet sustained damage (!)
- Aetherflow usage (Fester is 900 potency in 15s every minute)
- Ruination+DWT buff
- Deathflare
- Demi-Bahamut 160 potency hits every 1.5s
- Akh Morn hits twice (meaning 2 times per 120s, while "Barrage and Emp arrow" is once every 90s)
- Enkindle which isn't a 3mn cooldown because of Ruin IV procs

SMN is a job which damage comes from all kind of sources. If you don't include half of them, of course it'll seems weak. But that's also completly unfair to do so.
So, stop comparing two jobs if you don't take everything into account. It doesn't serve your point and makes you look like you either don't know what you are talking about, or that you are dishonest.

[Aomine1992]

It's hard to get your point across when majority healers I see are SCHs still at 70 and if the dps aren't a SAM or RDM they are a SMN or BRD and I've seen SMNs still out dps most so your argument has to be more then what you don't like that changed because SE won't see it your way they will see it my way unfortunately....I hope they change the class but right now for ppl who don't play it they don't see the issue with he SMNs high Dps currently lol