Quote Originally Posted by Tonkra View Post
How would that solve the lack of damage for summoners in any way now?

On the contrary a summoner with "sustain" (pet heal over time) would grant you more dps, because with a better physick spell you would spend more time healing instead of doing damage. A heal over time heals automatically over time while you could perform damage spells.
Uh-uh. No you don't. Not letting you get away with this nonsense.

Answer my question in the context that I asked it or don't bother replying. I was not addressing SMN DPS or SMN balance issues AT ALL when I said this. I was responding to YOUR assertion that giving SMN a decently strong heal (i.e. as strong as RDM's Vercure) would be bad because then we'd have "too many DPS classes with heals", or because SMN "isn't a healer", or etc. What I was saying is: why is that bad? It would be TWO DPS classes with decent heals. TWO. I don't think any career healers wold be shaking in their thighboots over that.

Address this, or nothing at all, because taking my reply and making it about SMN DPS, or how it wouldn't "solve the lack of damage" is disingenuous at best.

Yes and i know that FFXI and FFXIV rely on the traditional job class system (with the typical artifact armors) roles and whatever comes next to it. And it is not reyling on FFVII, FFIX or anything which have none of the traditional job class system. Which doesnt mean that these are influenced by them or come close to them.
??? What does this word salad even mean? I said nothing whatsoever about FFXI. Why are you quoting me here? There's no connection to what I said. And this certainly doesn't address the fact that if you are going to talk down to people, you should at least be right about what you're stating. You borked that part by insisting that FFIX (NINE, not ELEVEN) had "no jobs" and that everyone could just learn everything.

Well in the past i could have asked for my BLM to improve the healing effect of "Physick" while it was equipped as well..
Why didnt i do it? Because i dont expect a damage dealer with huge burst damage like BLM to heal.
Well, by your own logic, Black Mage has rarely if ever had much emphasis at all on healing. Whereas FFIX had two summoners who were also powerful healers, and in FFIV Rydia started off as a WHM/BLM/SMN hybrid, so...

But my point, which you again missed, was that granting a decent cure spell to SMN, meaning that now both SMN and RDM have one, isn't going to make every OTHER DPS (especially non-caster DPS like DRG) suddenly go WELL WHERE IS MY HEAL SPELL?? Having exactly two damage dealers with decent heal spells isn't going to break anything, and the slippery slope argument is nonsense.

And on that note, it is time for sleep. We'll see if this thread explodes even more overnight!