Summoner Over-Nered (and A few other Problems)

[Ariomi]

Summoner went from 3 dots to 2 - 110 potency per tick to 80
Removal of Spur
Removal of Sustain - no way to heal pet
Removal of two damage increasing cross class skills
Ruin 3 nerfed 50 potency
Deathflare does less damage per enemy hit
Tri-Disaster nerfed from 870 potency to 800
Bane reduces Dot's damage even more

The Nerfs are pretty substantial when you actually look into them
Just feels empty when I can't even keep my pet alive.

Physic needs to work like Red Mage's Vercure. Let us heal our pet/other party members Make Physic scale off Int or Mind which ever is the highest

Contagion needs to last as long as Dreadwyrm trance

Smn needs another way to get aetherflow. Maybe have Bahamut refresh your aetherflow or Aetherpact give aetherflow. Losing a single stack of Aetherflow is too punishing and adds 60 seconds to ahk morn cooldown

Change aetherpact to just have the pet target whoever you select. Scholar's aetherpact already works like this.

[Medicine]

Yeah.. SCH and SMN are in a pretty bad spot atm, hopefully they make them not awful very soon.

[kattzkitti]

Yeah.. SCH and SMN are in a pretty bad spot atm, hopefully they make them not awful very soon.

How is SCH in a bad spot? They were buffed in everything related to their actual job, and their single-target DPS is still vastly superior to the other healers.

[NaomiRaine]

I haven't touched SCH yet but with SMN I definitely feel it, the nerf is real and the down time where you're not doing anything at all while you're waiting for aether hurts a lot. I feel like that part wasn't really thought out, the best we can do is keep our dots up, cast ruin/ruin 3 and twiddle our thumbs waiting.

[Medicine]

How is SCH in a bad spot? They were buffed in everything related to their actual job, and their single-target DPS is still vastly superior to the other healers.

Their MP regen got hit pretty hard and SE took a freaking bat to their aoe dps.

[alimdia]

This person explains better the main problems with 4.0 summoner, and it's not the ability nerfs, it's how extremely punishing this job became and how much damage you lose because SE decided to force aethertrail and aetherflow to use the same slots https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...t_really_hard/

[Ariomi]

This person explains better the main problems with 4.0 summoner, and it's not the ability nerfs, it's how extremely punishing this job became and how much damage you lose because SE decided to force aethertrail and aetherflow to use the same slots https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...t_really_hard/

Was gonna go in more depth about it, but I'm relatively new to the forums and had a character limit. Original post was about 5,000 characters.

Did the math with it. Tri Disaster and contagion went from around 1440 potency with everything... to about 880 potency...
Or how removing Spur takes enkindle from 490 potency to 350.

Smn just losing massive amounts of potencies at every turn, and Im just watching every other class outdoors me and drooling. Saw a samurai screenshot do just shy of 50k in a single hit. Im lucky if Ahk morn does 18k

Smn just feels overshadowed by everything

[Medicine]

Was gonna go in more depth about it, but I'm relatively new to the forums and had a character limit. Original post was about 5,000 characters.

Did the math with it. Tri Disaster and contagion went from around 1440 potency with everything... to about 880 potency...
Or how removing Spur takes enkindle from 490 potency to 350.

Smn just losing massive amounts of potencies at every turn, and Im just watching every other class outdoors me and drooling. Saw a samurai screenshot do just shy of 50k in a single hit. Im lucky if Ahk morn does 18k

Smn just feels overshadowed by everything

Don't mean to make you feel any worse but my brd hit a 25k a few hours ago... I'll repeat myself, a BARD hit 25k. Aren't smn's suppose to be able to hit harder then ranged dps?

[Ayer2015]

Their MP regen got hit pretty hard and SE took a freaking bat to their aoe dps.

SCH has Aetherflow and access to lucid dreaming..... the job is in no way worse off for MP than the other healers.

[Medicine]

SCH has Aetherflow and access to lucid dreaming..... the job is in no way worse off for MP than the other healers.

Are you sure? Because WHM and AST have like 3 or 4 different mana regen/reduction abilities, also they nerfed Aetherflow.