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    Quote Originally Posted by negiman4 View Post
    Alright. Then why not block the ip addresses of the computers that the attack is coming from? I'm assuming that if you play ffxiv, then you're sending data to their servers anyway so it wouldn't really matter if actual ffxiv players were infected.
    The Keyword and difference between an classical DOS Attack is that D in front of DOS -> meaning Distributed.

    That´s why its hard to mitigate such stuff because it´s coming from so many different IP´s (think 5-6 digit numbers) and it now try to sort out good from bad traffic...
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    Quote Originally Posted by negiman4 View Post
    Alright. Then why not block the ip addresses of the computers that the attack is coming from? I'm assuming that if you play ffxiv, then you're sending data to their servers anyway so it wouldn't really matter if actual ffxiv players were infected.
    You must have not read my post, because I specifically said that there are too many IP addresses for the router to block. If it were that simple, DDoS attacks wouldn't be much of a threat.

    Rawrrior also makes a good point that IP addresses can be spoofed/faked. The Internet was designed at a time when everyone was trusted so security was an afterthought to the Internet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by negiman4 View Post
    Alright. Then why not block the ip addresses of the computers that the attack is coming from? I'm assuming that if you play ffxiv, then you're sending data to their servers anyway so it wouldn't really matter if actual ffxiv players were infected.
    A legitimate user could have been infected by malware (perhaps not even by doing anything wrong, legitimate sites do get hacked and infected with malware too that then gets installed on users computers, with new strains that anti-virus can't yet detect), so you'd be punishing someone and essentially banning them from the game for simply potentially getting infected by bad luck. That would create a PR calamity that would put the last Calamity that hit Eorzea to shame! Plus, that'd start measures for a class-action lawsuit, and you can bet lawyers would be foaming at the mouth for THAT opportunity.

    Also, as has been previously mentioned, they're constantly flushing out the IP addresses of the botnet to give them new IPs. You'd have to ban pretty much the entire internet to stop it!

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe777 View Post
    Name one MMO that hasn't been DDoSed, and they likely weren't even worth existing.

    DDoS protection varies in strength, as does the magnitude of the attacks themselves. This was obviously a high-level attack that a game with small protection would've struggled to keep the servers operational period. Consider how the attacker has been proceeding and there really isn't any shame at all, except for the DDoSer who clearly is full of shame. Some people are saying SE is lying to us, but can they prove it isn't a DDoS attack? Until they can SE is being honest with us and not hiding anything, which is credible.
    Hmm, did you quote the wrong person by accident? I don't think they were the one outright trying to say it wasn't a DDoS attack...
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    It's always sad how people have nothing better to do than try to disrupt others... Also I agree on the whole internet police thing, it's long overdue. This bs wouldn't happen near as often if there truly was a penalty to the attackers.

    What's even sadder is the persistency of this attack. Clearly someone has it in for FF14 and/or SE and can't get over it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe777 View Post
    It's always sad how people have nothing better to do than try to disrupt others... Also I agree on the whole internet police thing, it's long overdue. This bs wouldn't happen near as often if there truly was a penalty to the attackers.

    What's even sadder is the persistency of this attack. Clearly someone has it in for FF14 and/or SE and can't get over it.
    I disagree on the internet police thing. There's way too many ways this could be abused; we all know that they'll make their laws as vague as possible. It would be the end of a free and open internet.

    That being said, a better solution would be to update current laws to better deal with cybercrimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by negiman4 View Post
    I disagree on the internet police thing. There's way too many ways this could be abused; we all know that they'll make their laws as vague as possible. It would be the end of a free and open internet.

    That being said, a better solution would be to update current laws to better deal with cybercrimes.
    There are already cyberlaws in effect, but they don't get enforced as often as they should. Laws without upholders are pretty pointless.
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    Do note. Its not DDoS singularly. If it was, why hot fix anything? There are some issues they know is theirs and they can and are attempting to fix them. Normal Congestion and DDoS aside, there is not much else one can do. A month from now things will be smoother... well for some of us. (Ahem Aether server's big momma servers)
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    I call BS. None of the DDOS attack maps show any unusual activity targeted towards the location of the NA servers since the 16th. The current issues regarding the servers is the EXACT same thing that happened at 2.0 launch. This is a blunder on SE's part. There are so many people trying to play the new expansion and they have their servers set up in such an asinine way that instead of properly gating traffic they allow so many people to login at once it destabilizes the servers. Like I said, this is the EXACT same thing that happened at 2.0 launch and they didn't blame DDOS attacks back then. They need to reconfigure the servers so they don't allow more players to log on than the server can handle, sure the queue times will be longer but I'd rather have that than being DCed every 5 min only to be thrown into a queue of 1000+
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    DDoS and instability of servers, as well as the miscalculation of active players, that would participate in early access is one thing, and I am not going to comment on that. I think it's not my place, because every company needs to decide by themselves, which path they would like to walk and what kind of measurements will be taken, to match their business model.

    But one thing I will say, sadly DDoS can't be blamed for missing and invalid cd keys, that some customers found or found missing with their orders of the physical copies. As well as the lacking support or any kind of help. We as the community, did have to help or try to help customers that were lost, and couldn't find any answers or information regarding their problems.

    I am not saying that we should get any kind of compensation, because the damage has been done, and unless we're turning back time, it's understood that there's nothing that could make up for that. However, I do think that if there was an error or miscommunication between departments, which is not abnormal when launching a new and very well advertised new expansion, some kind of acknowledgement should have been made.

    I think customers would have been more happy, if they would have read something down the line that stated,

    "we sincerely apologize for the bad experience some of our customers experienced during and throughout the early access, due to (whatever the reason is/was insert here), but we will assure you that we are doing everything necessary, to make the next upcoming weeks a much better experience for everybody. (listing a couple of details that are coming, or that have been taken care off, or ongoing problems that are addressed and worked on)"

    would have been seen as better solution.

    After all, we need to keep in mind that a online game and the company publishing it, would be nothing without their community. Communication is the key, regardless of the position (player or development), and not leaving customers absolutely frustrated and in the dark about on going problems.

    If I receive the ban because I was stating something that was personally important to me, I'll take it, at least I tried explaining that no matter how bad something might be or look like, at the end if the communication and proper information would have been given right from the beginning, a lot of this drama and frustration could have been avoided. As well as bad reviews. But that's just my personal opinion.
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    I would think that the Lizard Group would have taken credit/ announced they did this on social media.
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