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  1. #121
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    Kacho_Nacho's Avatar
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    You know, when a company like SE says they have suffered DDOS attacks, i have the courtesy to believe them. Yoshida-san has repeatedly stepped up to the plate and accepted blame for the various problems with Early Access and the release Stormblood. These developers are just not the kind of people to lie to their customers, much less, come up with a fictitious cyber-attack.
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  2. #122
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    Just-Communication's Avatar
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    Yalavech Dazkar
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    Some of you people don't realize how pervasive these kinds of things are. Ask anyone who deals with Internet security - the vectors are numerous and it is difficult to locate the real culprit(s). Why do you think governments are investing more resources in cyberwarfare? It's a reality folks and anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool. What the notice does tell us is that SE was unable to successfully mitigate and address the threat; no company of repute would want to admit that a third-party attack has crippled their resources - if they were able to deal with it, they would have. Publishing the news is a decision to buffer the negativity due to the technical problems caused by this issue. Can it be considered an excuse? Sure. But they say SE is outright lying is just stupid. The attackers can celebrate that they've been acknowledged.
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    I can't get no! Satisfaction.

  3. #123
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    honestly i'm the fence on the matter,

    if we look at how SB was rushed, Hyped (this can lead to a legit group wanting to slap em down for it w/ a legit DDoS), how we had no word about matters till almost last min, how after thousands upon thousands of outcries by the players this downtime affected (people who cant play often in a day , those that only get to play much durring a day off, or when RL lets them,) with no signs of Any compensation (lets be real people want subtime extension but fat chances people, a more realistic would of been acceptable of ingame items, and we might get something when matters actually settle.), initial attempts to pass this off as them wanting us to leave highly congested worlds (splitting/fracturing teh player base, incentivizing of making friends leave one another /doing harm to those worlds ingame economies or FreeCompany/LS communities.) one Could look at this with a cynical view like this and only help but say its just an excuse to save face for gross incompetence on developer parts on testing SB's Code to ensure it wouldn't adversely affect live "Production" servers (its a major sin in the networking industry, to run untested experimental code on a live production server when you have no idea how it could affect it. think of this is how 2.0 launch was horrible but fixed shortly after as it went thru many proper beta phases and was a result of them under-expecting how much the fanbase of teh franchise would flock to what once was a severe flop and PR Disaster, how HW/3.0 had issues day 1 but fixed right after.)

    but it's not like its not happened to them before, two major times it Occurred in FFXI, once in 2006 (around June) that caused for about a week straight instabilities with World Servers, causing Massive latency to the worlds affected,them to crash and go offline for hours at a time. , then again in 2009, where after a more complex attack brought the Whole lot of the world servers to go offline and "PlayOnline"(yea remember that?)(which for compared to XIV acted as a Lobby Server) to become highly unresponsive or lock players out for over 9 hours.

    now maybe im over-analyzing things, but i want to believe its real and just a repeat of whats happened in the past. for what we could end up knowing its a group of (ex) Players that were highly unhappy with 4.0's Job changes (since everything was fine till hours into game going online w/ SB EA and 4.0's changes.) and other online games having seen the same treatment by a mass of players unhappy with an event, changes made, how some ingame matters handled (go look at the rocky history over the last year andhalf for Digital Extremes and thier game, Warframe.). XIV's players i would like to hope are better than resorting to petty shit like this over changes to game mechanics and that it is some group like LizardSquad Responsible.
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    Last edited by CaelThunderwing; 06-21-2017 at 10:04 PM.

  4. #124
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDraco4011 View Post
    Yeah I'm pretty skeptical about this. Especially since the bulk of the problems were with solo instances and duty finder servers which are ingame mechanisms. If there were DDoS attacks it would take down the entire server in general. They probably experienced DDoS in the last 2-3 days and claimed it was from the beginning to cover their bad game design and awful servers.
    Ingame mechanisms handled by different servers that could be the target of the DDoS attack,so yeah its plausible to be an attack like they said. And it doesn't necessarily need to take down the entire server and it's actually better not to do it. if you take down everything, ppl will know easily its an attack, if you take down just parts of it it's more "funny" and requires less power.

    And they never claimed it were only the DDoS attack, they posted a changelog with the fix they made, the point is that if it weren't for the DDoS attack things would have been working a lot sooner, that is why JP/EU servers were fine after the fixes, but not NA servers.

    and what leads you to believe that its awful servers if they worked flawless all this years?
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    Last edited by Legewiel; 06-21-2017 at 11:03 PM.

  5. #125
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    So this DDOS attack is the main reason why we've been having a horrible ass time with the game so far?
    Rauhbah/Pipin/Susano bug? The mass DC's out of the blue then throws us in hour long Q's?
    I hate to say it honestly, but I hope it's true. I just can't believe that after all these years they hadn't expected
    how launches would go, and especially with the server move and stuff. I just hope it's fixed soon because it surely
    surpassed HW launch, this is pretty bad and now kinda unacceptable since this is now "launch". :/
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  6. #126
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    Ah, so that's why I had CONSTANT DC'S playing on Mateus last night...and couldn't even do my MSQ instances lol....Never DC'd like that before....Hopefully it's playable tonight, having story Q withdrawals.
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  7. #127
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    Katarh Mest
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    Yeah, this is an all of the above scenario.

    1. The Raubhan / Pippin walls were a bug with server programming, likely with load balancing, that made it so they only had a fraction of the planned instances available on the virtual servers that handle it. SE acknowledged this. That was mostly fixed by Sunday morning.
    2. Susano eating characters was a verified bug and they did a workaround by changing something on Duty Finder until they could get it patched. SE acknowledged this.
    3. 3000+ login queues on certain servers was expected, and SE not only warned those players they were gonna have a bad time, they offered free transfers to alleviate the issue. On non congested servers, even during the height of the DDoS spikes, the worst we saw were queues of 500 or so.
    4. PS4 download bug was also a verified bug. Also the font and UI size issue, a verified bug. SE acknowledged this.
    5. On top of ALL OF THE ABOVE THINGS that SE confirmed, they have now also confirmed that on certain dates, the data center was getting flooded by third party DDoS, compounding all the issues.

    Once I got past the walls on Sunday, I have had a pretty smooth time in the game - until last night. The massive disconnects and lag all absolutely match the pattern of a DDoS attack.
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    Last edited by Catwho; 06-21-2017 at 11:28 PM. Reason: /10char

  8. #128
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    While many people wanna paint SE in a horrible light I'd like to say this. I've had my own gripes with SE for a long time now but the team for FF14 has been bending over backwards for everyone. They are the ones I would trust if anything is said about their servers being attacked. This is the same team and group that admitted fault for a lot of stuff in the past and have been very upfront with everyone. We just gotta give em a lil time.
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  9. #129
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    Don't care, leveled to 70 & beat story.
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  10. #130
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    Well kudos to the server team for keeping the game playable during massive loads from players and the attack. Yes the servers did come down at times but to stay up as long as they have is at testamate to their team.
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