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    NorthernLadMSP's Avatar
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    Adore Mi
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    Quote Originally Posted by amihavingfunyet View Post
    Could it possibly be that these abilities are much more usable for 8man content? :thinking:
    And if the tank doesn't know how to utilize the buffs you give them it's barely the skill's fault.
    LOL it is 100% the skills fault if, in my example, the tank moves a tiny bit one way to avoid an AOE and that breaks the Aetherpact chain yet still sucks down the fairy gauge. Yes, that is 100% the skills fault. Don't be ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP View Post
    LOL it is 100% the skills fault if, in my example, the tank moves a tiny bit one way to avoid an AOE and that breaks the Aetherpact chain yet still sucks down the fairy gauge. Yes, that is 100% the skills fault. Don't be ridiculous.
    Either you need to realize that you shouldn't use the skill when the tank is going to have to move soon or the tank needs to learn to not mindlessly run around.
    But yes, please balance all classes around expert roulette and low skill level play.
    It can definitly use a buff to its range, but it's far from "useless".
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    Quote Originally Posted by amihavingfunyet View Post
    Either you need to realize that you shouldn't use the skill when the tank is going to have to move soon or the tank needs to learn to not mindlessly run around.
    But yes, please balance all classes around expert roulette and low skill level play.
    It can definitly use a buff to its range, but it's far from "useless".
    Your condescending attitude is all I need to see to realize you're no longer worth responding to.

    Have a nice day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP View Post
    Your condescending attitude is all I need to see to realize you're no longer worth responding to.

    Have a nice day.
    Just a small tip, you can cancel Fey Union again if you notice the tank is running out of range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amihavingfunyet View Post
    -Snip-
    While I agree with most of what you've said, please don't make it out to be a good move. Fey Union is utter Dog Shite.

    Ironically I've actually found more use for it in Expert Roulette than I have Omega NM/EX Primals.
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    This has been suggested by a number of posters in the past so I'm just going to mimic the sentiments here too - instead of having Dissipation unsummon the fairy have the fairy be afflicted with pacification and silencedfor the duration of the healing potency buff. Not only does this mean SCHs won't need to spend MP and Swiftcast to get their Fairy back in a timely manner but it'll also mean the Fairy Gauge will continue to charge when the SCHs are using their newly acquired Aether charges.

    So, upon doing some quick calculations, even with the changes to Aetherflow, with the implementation of Lucid Dreaming as a cross class SCH's MP restoration kit has actually gotten better. At 960 MP / tick, all healers gain 6,720MP every two minutes. In order for the loss of the 10% MP restoration on Aetherflow to match this, a SCH would need to have 33,360MP which feels pretty crazy to me given my SCH in basically capped gear without melds is sitting at 18,000-ish MP. I know it doesn't speak to the other concern of how MP costs for the SCH kit has gone up as a whole but it's a small blessing at least for the loss of the 10% restoration on Aetherflow.

    [Edit @ Aetherpact Discussion] While Aetherpact / Fey Union certainly doesn't make up for the loss of potency in the Embrace kit, I wouldn't go as far as calling it useless either. SCH always had to be mindful about how they use their resources and placing their fairy in ways that allow them to do their job while staying out of danger. Aetherpact just emphasizes these points further. Having a 5-6K "Regen" going off is nothing to scoff at and can give healers larger opportunities to DPS, say during a burst DPS phase where healing requirements are light but global buffs are going out to help get past this check (Battle Litany, Expanded Balance, Chain Stratagem, etc.). Aetherpact also gets around infirmity which may have some applications in the future as well. I find Aetherpact in its current iteration much much much more useful than Dissipation ever was at 60 - thought that's admittedly not saying too much either, sadly.
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    Last edited by Ghishlain; 07-15-2017 at 03:21 AM. Reason: Aetherpact Discussion~

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghishlain View Post
    So, upon doing some quick calculations, even with the changes to Aetherflow, with the implementation of Lucid Dreaming as a cross class SCH's MP restoration kit has actually gotten better. At 960 MP / tick, all healers gain 6,720MP every two minutes. In order for the loss of the 10% MP restoration on Aetherflow to match this, a SCH would need to have 33,360MP which feels pretty crazy to me given my SCH in basically capped gear without melds is sitting at 18,000-ish MP. I know it doesn't speak to the other concern of how MP costs for the SCH kit has gone up as a whole but it's a small blessing at least for the loss of the 10% restoration on Aetherflow.
    MP regen isn't in a vacuum though. If you doubled a class's MP regen and at the same time doubled their spells MP costs then relatively nothing changed. While Sch may have a tad better MP regen now (at lower MP values) they also spiked the price of Aldo as well.

    On the other hand, other healers already had cheaper spells to compensate for their lower MP regen, but now got MUCH better MP regen to go along with those cheaper spells.

    Basically while looking at just the MP regen Scholar is near the same, but in practice Scholar is now more expensive while other healers got massively cheaper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersun View Post
    MP regen isn't in a vacuum though. If you doubled a class's MP regen and at the same time doubled their spells MP costs then relatively nothing changed. While Sch may have a tad better MP regen now (at lower MP values) they also spiked the price of Aldo as well.

    On the other hand, other healers already had cheaper spells to compensate for their lower MP regen, but now got MUCH better MP regen to go along with those cheaper spells.

    Basically while looking at just the MP regen Scholar is near the same, but in practice Scholar is now more expensive while other healers got massively cheaper.
    Hence my comment of:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghishlain View Post
    I know it doesn't speak to the other concern of how MP costs for the SCH kit has gone up as a whole but it's a small blessing at least for the loss of the 10% restoration on Aetherflow.
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    According to Live Letter, many changes coming in 4.05. Listed adding Miasma II back, increases in range (nothing specific noted), decreases in cooldown (nothing specific noted), and made it sound like there's many others.
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    Deox Rioux
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    Grat's guys you cried hard enough for them to make SCH OP :P Time to ride the easy train through savage
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