Thread: Consolidated Scholar 4.0 Feedback Thread

the WORSE problem problem for me playing as a scholar right now is....IT´S BORING! RLY RLY boring =/
I can´t say for sure what it is that makes scholar so boring for me now, could be a bunch of useless skills that are in my bar that COULD be cool but are just downright useless or conflict with each other...Could be my fairy being useless and having two but the other is kind not even needed in the game...Could be the story pointing to a 3° fairy that could do new stuff but we got nothing in the end...Could be my Fey useless pact sometimes bug and making my fairy stop doing anything for the rest of the fight...
So much stuff that just make the class boring, im not saying it´s a bad class or you could not heal with it tough, but WHY would i want to heal with a scholar over the other healers is the question in my head...Anything a scholar bring the others can do much better AND FUN!

I've still a leveling SCH, and I'm currently 65.
I have not healed any Primal Exs yet, so I can only hold my opinion on those in the end.
However, this is my opinion so far of SCH.

Things I like

Now, before this I played a WHM, Tanks and DPS classes. And I personally, love how SCH plays right now. The way I see SCH, is that it has an answer for any situation that could arise. It has a spell for any sort of situation, that if you are able to plan ahead, you can prevent or deal with any situation.

I know people do not like Excog, but I think it's a great skill if you don't compare it to something like Lustrate. It has a specific use. It's fantastic on tank busters, at the beginning of big pulls, at the beginning of bosses which means you can just Rouse and Whispering Dawn and your Fairy, along with Excog can deal with the tank for a good 30 seconds depending on the boss.

I love thinking ahead. I don't see any of my abilities (maybe except Sacred Soil) as useless like some people seem to do. Every ability has a use. You may not use them in every single fight ,but it's always there when the situation arises. I love that.

Saying that, the SCH needs some help.


What I would change

First things first, we need to get back to mitigating shit with our spells again. Adlo and Succor cost too much for what they do. Emergency Tactics cover this slightly, but again, that's a long CD and even then it doesn't heal for a lot. What I would change here, is to increase the shield potency of the Succor and Adlo but a decent amount, while slightly adjusting the crit aspect from 2x to something like x1.25-x1.5. What this would do, is that this would bring us back out mitigation on our two important spells, but would keep the healing as is. However, this would also really beef up our Emergency Tactics.

In one fell swoop, we gain access to powerful but expensive mitigation, or a big AoE/ST heal every 30 seconds.

This would again, help out Deployment Tactics, since everything that we seem to lack and have problems with are our mitigation spells, which multiple of our other spells seem to lead into.

Sacred Soil is a spell that I'm not really sure of. I've found a tiny tiny use for this spell, but it's only really useful for big AoE or big pulls, which is fine I guess. But the fact it costs an aetherflow is crazy for what it does.

I can't comment on MP or Aetherpact yet. But so far I've had no MP problems with using my Aetherflow aggressively and my Lucid Dreams. So we will see.

Wow really Lustrate and Indomability have no effect on healing buffs? I have played SCH years and didnt had a clue about it, the skill doesnt say that in any place, why this happens? o.O

Damn didnt know abilities werent buffed, ty.
You always learn something new.

what you must remember about it is mostly that they arent influenced by any modifier.
If a target has "receive 90% less healing", or you have "your heals does 90% less", the abilities will still do 100% of their effect.
Only stat modifier can affect abilities, such as mind diminution or augmentation, determination, direct hit, critical hit multiplier and such.
This is really important in fight where, for example, you miss a mechanic (like a3s where you had the -90% healing debuff for a long time), or for fight where your healing ability is lowered to the extreme, you can still manage to heal decently if you kept your abilities ogcd.

On a positive note, our damage isn't just ok, it's pretty damn high just behind WHM and not by much. Eat your fairy after dropping the aoe regen and dps harder with all those extra drains

Well, I'm in the process of leveling scholar. I'm 68 right now, and well, my opinion might change on some things I will say here. I main WHM (lvl70) and always liked playing scholar, too. Even though I was prepared for my WHM to not be so great this expansion... I was actually surprised that now it feels more fluid and powerful. On the other hand, scholar is quite disappointing. I still like it, but running dungeons with it can turn into a nightmare.

First, they did something really bad to scholar's heal potency. It's not the same as before. Before I could run with Selene, DPS, throw lustrate and shield, sacred soil if needed, and all was good. Now, I barely have time to DPS. I'm too busy keeping the tank alive, which is quite weird as scholar is supposed to be more DPS oriented... While as WHM, I am DPSing 80-90% of the time. This doesn't make any sense. I throw all my aetherflow stacks on the tank, and even use physick - spamming it. This isn't fun - and this is the only class I wiped with multiple times because of those things. Now, if a tank makes a mistake, it feels like I won't be able to fix it anymore, because my heals are weak. So I'm forced to run with Eos all the time now... I'm really wary of running another dungeon with scholar at this point

Second, about dungeons again... Big pulls are evil now with scholar. All I can do is... throw shadow flare if it's available, but it will only work if the tank is wise enough to keep the mobs on it and not move around somewhere else. Can't reapply it after it's gone... Do 2 dots on one mob then bane, but 50% of the time bane will only copy one dot. It used to be 2 dots, now it's only 1... Now back to tank dying because I dared to try to DPS...

Third, they messed up scholar's mp management. Now I have to take Lucid Dreaming to make it playable, when it was fine before as is.

Fourth, eye for an eye is weaker now, I believe. It has shorter duration time. For me, it's to take either eye for eye or divine seal. But divine seal won't work with healing abilities and Eos already has a version of it... add to that if I don't take eye for eye, deployment is going to be half useless...? Seriously, eye for eye doesn't belong to role actions. It's unique to scholar and scholar has a special ability just for it.

Fifth, that new 62 ability? Forgot its name... It's just a lustrate copy. It works the same way. We could have gotten something much better than this. Yes, I know it's intended to be cast on a tank when he's above 50%, if my shields were strong enough, it might have worked as intended... But now I just end up casting it on tank when he's below 50%, and it heals him like lustrate.

...It's just not a good experience anymore. Scholar is okay for trials though. Actually it's fine in trials... but for dungeons so far, I don't know. I know, it was op before, but there was no need to ruin it and nerf it this hard. Please, SE, fix scholar, don't let it die. Buff scholar's heal potency, make bane good again and less punishing. I loved Miasma 2, sad to see it gone :/ it was instant dot aoe.

Originally Posted by Angelic_Magic

Do 2 dots on one mob then bane, but 50% of the time bane will only copy one dot..

This is actually user error. After casting Bio II, you have to give it a second to actually apply the DoT before you Bane it.

Originally Posted by Riyshn

This is actually user error. After casting Bio II, you have to give it a second to actually apply the DoT before you Bane it.

Thank you for pointing this out, I always had issue with this. I will wait 2 seconds before using bane from now on!