Consolidated Scholar 4.0 Feedback Thread

**MercuryAcetylene** · 07-06-2017 06:13 AM

Originally Posted by HappyHubris

Do most Scholars manually direct their fairy? How good is the fairy AI?

We direct our fairy to a specific spot on the map that will keep it out of harms way, but also keep it within reach to heal whoever may pass by it. Well, that's what I do anyway. for 4.0 so far, I haven't had to worry about it getting hit that often so I sit Eos directly in the middle so her Feys can hit the max amount of people. the arenas are pretty small this time around. I kind of wish they were bigger like back in Coil, but that was a lot of wasted space since everyone just kind of crowded in a corner. she will move on occasion even if you do this to reach people you may need to heal. finding a nice central location so she doesn't have to move often is key, otherwise she will have to travel which can takes a few seconds, then she'll try to heal while you need her to Fey. by that time, it's already too late if she had to move into place to heal first.

**LegoTechnic** · 07-06-2017 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by HappyHubris

Is there a good SCH guide online for 4.0? I'm healing on my summoner for quick queues and - while successful - I feel like I'm underperforming my WHM. Clearly I'm missing some class nuance.

Do most Scholars manually direct their fairy? How good is the fairy AI?

You want to direct your fairy's positioning as little as possible, and typically the only two pet positioning commands you will ever need are Heel and Place. Fortunately she is unperturbed by most attacks, but can be killed by cleave and repositioned by some knockback effects (see: Ifrit EX), so avoid cleave zones especially. Usually placing her in the center is fine but if the arena is large putting her directly behind the boss works as well, though you may need to readjust as the fight moves. Get an idea with testing of what the ability range is, as Whispering Dawn has a 15 yalm radius and Fey Wind a 20y one. If you have a tank + ranged DPS combo and they stand at opposite ends of the arena, then just do your best because sometimes things just don't go your way. Also note that some bosses can target the fairy, Brute Justice and his laser being a primary example, though this is rare (and the fairy takes no damage from such attacks anyway).

Fairy AI is best described as "slow". She will take your command, process it, and then fulfill it at "fairy speed". Movement is simple and standard run speed, and she cannot perform actions while moving. If she is in the middle of a cast, she will not perform your next command until the currect action is finished. All fairy abilities have a 2-second cast time, so if she is casting Embrace or something then she will finish and then start casting the next move, and cannot interrupt her action unless she is physically interrupted by an attack. She will automatically embrace the player with the lowest health in range as long as they are under 80% max HP.

If using Eos, set her to Obey and get into the habit of triggering her abilities as they're needed (try to always Rouse before Whispering Dawn). If Selene, you are almost always better off leaving her on Sic because managing Fey Wind is a massive quality of life annoyance, and her silence is typically too slow to trigger to be of any notable use if you're trying to command it manually (the esuna is ok though).

Also if you placed your fairy during a boss fight, remember to set it back to Heel before you leave or it may stay there and desummon when you head off. QoL.

**Squintina** · 07-06-2017 08:34 AM

I just want my Sustain back. It's hurting solo play at lower levels, physick can barely make a dent.

**sumiree** · 07-06-2017 11:08 AM

Mained SCH since 2.0 and wanted to give some feedback regarding current toolkit.
The experience was based on the extreme trials and deltascape.

Dissipation requires some tweaking. I would suggest to add some MP recovery based on current Fey gauge maybe? to compensate back the MP required to resummon the fairy.

Adlo not being used as so frequent as per compared to 3.0 for obvious reason. Probably only used during dungeon pre-pull and Adlo + Deployment for room wide aoe mitigation.

Excog, one of the skills that was underutilized. The wasted aetherflow stack is too much for a penalty. The only time I use these was during Susan Ex stormsplitter tank buster. But your co-heal probably already pre-cast Cure II so it is pretty much not needed :/

Fey Union/Aetherpact, range too short. Else probably will be very useful during Susan Ex second phase when one of the tank eating the blue orb.

**MercuryAcetylene** · 07-06-2017 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by Squintina

I just want my Sustain back. It's hurting solo play at lower levels, physick can barely make a dent.

I was dumb enough to put Dissipation in the spot I used for Sustain... kept hitting it thinking I was healing my fairy.

**SweetPete** · 07-06-2017 12:13 PM

I just want to chime in on this.

Fairy abilities really need to be thoroughly looked at. I for one really miss Selene's "Fey Light and Fey Glow" Especially if you kept her on sic. You always had one or the other up at all times. Not sure why SE removed them. Silliest decision they made. Why are all Fairy abilities on such long CD's anyway. Honestly when I first saw the fairy gauge I thought all the fairy abilities would play into it. For ex "Whispering Dawn would cost 25 points in the gauge etc" Which will make the abilities spam worthy but must have the points in the gauge to use them. I don't think it would make them overpowered because the fairy is now pretty weak anyway. The fairy gauge should have more use than just one ability. Make all abilities use the fairy gauge.

**SweetPete** · 07-06-2017 12:19 PM

Continuation:

Chain Stratagem I honestly do not like it. I mean it's PvP version is amazing. So maybe they should rethink that. Our healing is so low potency wise, it's just ridiculous. Adlo is a joke now and so is Succour. Indom is still good but a 30 sec CD is just bad seeing as it cost a Aetherflow. Emergency tactics needs it's CD reduced as well. Exoc needs to be changed to something more worth it. In 8 mans it is just tough to use as there is a second healer and tanks using their own tankbusters. It is a waste of a Aetherflow. Maybe it should not even cost an Aetherflow to be honest. Fey union is nice but I think either one or 3 things should happen. The fairy should follow the player it is tethered to, it should be 20y instead of 10 or it should be an Aoe healing tether for the 10y and stationary fairy. Dissipation do not even get me started on this ability lol. I still never use it. I agree that Fey union and Dissipation does not work together int he SCH kit at all.

**SweetPete** · 07-06-2017 12:20 PM

Final Thoughts:

I think SE took most of their time on tanks and the new jobs and some of the dps jobs and healers were just rushed. SE said Healers would be refreshing to play and honestly they are not. SCH has allot of issues. They saved WHM "Sorta" and OP Astro and definitely dropped the ball on SCH. I hope Yoshi P mentions this in the live letter in 10 days. Because they definitely screwed SCH and this is just on the healing portion of the job.

Either way SE really needs to look at SCH and we need some serious changes. Hopefully in 4.05 we will see a new SCH born. SE did say they are looking at feedback and listening to the player base so fingers crossed.

**Rubiss** · 07-06-2017 12:51 PM

Copied my post from another thread but here's what we need.

1. Fey Union's potency needs to be significantly higher. Considering you get 3 ticks of this per minute (roughly, who knows how RNGFlow will go), a measly 5-6k is a sad joke, especially given the poor range and the animation dance required to even use it. The range should be 100y (like Bahamut) or at the very least, 30y like Embrace.

2. Excogitation is unnecessary. It doesn't reward planning nearly enough, and has poor synergy with other healers. 50 more potency Over Lustrate? Thanks. Saves me a GCD when things get dicey? Lustrate is 1 second recast. There is no situation where things are so dicey that I can't spare 1 second. If such a situation exists, no healer but SCH can do this.

3. Adloquium is a crappier Aspected Benefic. Not instant cast, costs more, weaker in every situation aside from a crit and even then, it's barely higher compared to a Aspected Benefic crit. You can bring up Deployment Tactics, but we can't fish for crits as reliably anymore with higher MP costs and crit being nerfed in general. Realistically, spread crit-lo is nice but not something you try and plan for.

4. Succor costs the same as Cure 3. Why doesn't it have the same potency then? Pick one. Lower Succor's MP cost to rival Medica or buff Succor's potency to 550.

5. Dissipation has poor synergy with Aetherpact. So we'll gain stacks and lose the fairy who benefits from us using stacks? Have to waste, at best 1 GCD and waste a valuable CD (swiftcast) or hard cast (which we won't do anyways). This skill is terrible and is only ever useful for minor DPS gains (very minor) and emergencies. It hurts you in the long run and is far too punishing. Resummon the Fairy after Dissipation wears off would be nice.

6. Embrace was nerfed for the wrong reason. Fairy shined in 3.X because Cleric Stance didn't effect them. They had 100% uptime on a nice heal. This mean that SCH had the easiest time DPSing and Healing at the same time (arguably still have it the easiest, by a much smaller margin). However, SCH's strength was their ability to DPS while Healing. With Cleric Stance no longer required to stance-dance, the fairy's main strength in 3.X is gone. So why are they nerfed? This greatly lowers SCH's HPS and is unneeded.

7. Quickened Aetherflow is garbage. A flat CDR of even 10 seconds would be better than this RNG crap. Statistically speaking, it shaves off 8 seconds roughly, but with how it works, you're just going to have bursts of unfun (or very fun) inconsistency. Just make it flat and stop this RNG nonsense.

8. Our AoE sucks. We don't have a level 40 job skill anymore. Give us an AoE here or at least a trait. Anything man. We got jack here.

**Lildragora** · 07-06-2017 01:48 PM

I would be happy if they just brought over the same base shield potency modifiers as AST and apply the crit modifier to succor. Maybe bring the shield potency down from 250% to 200% for both.

Fey Union should provide a "union" between the SCH and Fairy granting CD refresh for aetherflow and fairy abilities, while providing the tether to target but not locking the fairy out of abilities with a longer and smarter lease (like follow target and stop draining gauge if tether is broken). The tether would be same potency as embrace but devoted to a single target or would cause a embrace to go off on the selected target every time a Physick, Adloquium or Succor is cast without interfereing with any fairy abilities being used including the actual embrace ability.. Would be on a 30 second CD and last for 10 gauge consumed every 3 seconds for a total up time at 100 gauge of 30 seconds. Likewise, to get 100 gauge you need around 3+ minutes of Aertherflow ability use

Excogition should provide a shield of equivalent potency if the effect is not triggered especially since it costs a AF stack (which it shouldn't). (if no AF stack cost) if you have 20 fairy gauge available at time of use it would consume the 20 points and give it a higher heal/shield potency modifier so instead of 650, 700.

Bring Sacred Soil mitigation up from 10% to 20% and increase the chance of a free succor. It is so unreliable even in dungeons or primals where I am purposefully trying to trigger it. Out of 10 Lakshmi Ex runs I got one trigger of the ability with multiple sacred soils per run. While that is a small sample size a 20% chance it should proc more frequently.

Dissipation should increase healing and refresh Aetherflow stacks without sacrificing the fairy. It would summon Lilly and give it access to all 8 fairy abilities for the duration of Dissipation and returning the original fairy upon end. This would mean the fairy abilities while under dissipation would not share CD timers, however any ability used would cause the original fairies CDs to be down, unless timed right. Lilly would be an additional effect added by a trait at the lvl 65-70 range (Yes this is actual Lore to the SCH job, Selene represents moonlight and Eos sunlight and are two parts of a fairy named Lilly). I would keep it on the same 2 minute CD, I would be okay with a 150 second CD as well while duration would remain the same.

Quickened Aetherflow should be replaced with "Tactician" trait giving a flat 5% boost to crit chance on healing spells and abilities and undoes the bane nerf. This would not affect fairies.

Fey Wind should be brought up to 5-10% and replace the silence with a single target P+M Def debuff at around 5-10% or a DoT effect. Unrelated but the spellspeed increase on fairy crits would be a welcome re-addition too.

I would also be interested to see something involving the fairy gauge amount and either crit or shield potency increases. For instance if your fairy gauge is at 50, shields get a 25 potency increase, if at 100 a 50 potency increase or at 50+ gauge all shield providing spells have a +5% chance of critting, jumping up to 10% at 100. This would be passive.

Overall, the additional uses of Aetherflow and Fairy CDs would give parties extra utility and situational use burst while giving it the identity of a mitigation healer. Playing on its already established crit procs and toolkit it would bring up the job without stepping to far into either WHM or AST territory. Technically the above would add an additional trait to the ones we already have however considering that Yoshi P originally stated that he wanted all jobs to have the same number of abilities and now we have jobs with more and less I dont see why this would be an issue.

On another side note, Plenary Indulgence should grant the target a Confession Aura that spreads 10y, 15y, and 20y respectively based on stack quantity. The aura would be like a bloodbath effect giving people a minor health recovery for damage dealt while adding a 50 potency holy damage to all auto attacks and weapon abilities/spells. In the event two people have the aura the effects would not stack. Or something like that, you know for raid utility.

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