Thread: Consolidated Scholar 4.0 Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by Anselmet

Honestly, I am kinda mad that they have not given the same treatment to sch as they did whm. When sb was two weeks out from early access they addressed their outrage. I haven't seen a single dev so much as address us. I have played sch since 2.0 and never have I seen this class in such a bad state. Hell, I think smn is pretty bad as well so its not like I can just switch to smn to avoid this nightmare. So it makes me think that there were two people working on arcanist and didn't even bother to share their notes.

But when it comes to sch, it is just rife with 'what the hell were you thinking'. Why would you lower our dps and then make our healing more expensive or less effective? What the hell did my poor fairies ever do to you, especially eos? If you're going to have ast out strip us in every way, could you at least give us back our dps and fairy capabilities? Like, I'd rather go play with the clunky whm mechanics than heal another dungeon with sch. At least they can heal AND have mp.

I realize we will not get anything fixed until 4.1, but could they at least give us an acknowledging post like they did whm?

It's because we didn't shout loudly enough.

Personally I wasn't nearly as concerned about SCH since I didn't know enough about the changes to be truly worried. WHM's Lily mechanic, on the other hand, was so terrible on paper as of the build that the media played that it sparked an immediate and strong response.

SCH playerbase pre-4.0 = sitting pretty, not too concerned since we've had it good since 2.x. 4.0 is a rude awakening.

WHM playerbase pre-4.0 = many players already experiencing disappointment and/or identity crisis and not seeing the solutions they hoped to see, thus the outcry.

i wouldn't say SCH's had it good but more like they were really balanced on how things went when it came to new patch's. Also SCH didn't cry when you know dissipation and emergency tactics were crap because our kit was still good even with those crap skills so we learned to deal with it. But 4.0 they just took the nerf bat to SCH in every direction to our mp regen, to heals, to dps, to our fairy, they covered every aspect of a SCH's kit and hit it with a giant bat. It would have been fine if like our dps was nerf and they didn't change anything else with our kit, because they didn't even bother fixing dissipation.

Originally Posted by Amenako

i wouldn't say SCH's had it good but more like they were really balanced on how things went when it came to new patch's. Also SCH didn't cry when you know dissipation and emergency tactics were crap because our kit was still good even with those crap skills so we learned to deal with it. But 4.0 they just took the nerf bat to SCH in every direction to our mp regen, to heals, to dps, to our fairy, they covered every aspect of a SCH's kit and hit it with a giant bat. It would have been fine if like our dps was nerf and they didn't change anything else with our kit, because they didn't even bother fixing dissipation.

Emergency Tactics is fantastic in raids; I had a lot of effective use with it in Gordias and Midas given Indom's 30 second cooldown. Sometimes it's more useful to have Succor be a Medica, and damn it, it feels good when it works. That swirly effect is love.

And we cried a never-ending river of salty tears over Dissipation, one that still flows to this day, but to be real that was probably the worst of our class problems and compared to AST mana issues it wasn't a crippling class issue.

Originally Posted by Cynfael

It's because we didn't shout loudly enough.

Personally I wasn't nearly as concerned about SCH since I didn't know enough about the changes to be truly worried. WHM's Lily mechanic, on the other hand, was so terrible on paper as of the build that the media played that it sparked an immediate and strong response.

I agree with this mostly, but I think this has slowly been coming for sch. I might be a huge pessimist, but I cannot be the only sch who noted certain decisions over the past year as a bad sign. Like when they first buffed noct ast I began to worry. And when Yoshi-P came out and said that healers do not need to dps, I felt that meant sch would be the most effected at this point.Then there were small things like seeing shadow flare instant and I thought to myself there is going to be a giant caveat to that skill. I think over all the signs were there but like you said we did not shout loudly enough. I'll be honest, never in a hundred years would I have thought our changes would be this bad. But I think sch are now shouting quite loudly but also I personally feel as if we have been mostly ignored.

I can't speak for excog, but on paper it seems like yet another wasted ability for the reasons I have seen stated here already. Between SCH and WHM what is with these mechanics that basically force us to let players take damage in order to utilize the new abilities?

Lilies and confessions need cures instead of regens to proc, and excog seems to be better served in dungeons where the SCH has the sole healing responsibility. In 8-man a WHM or AST is going to heal that damage, especially a WHM wanting lily procs, so SCH mechanics basically completely conflict with current WHM. Are their any main healers at SE? Who's designing this stuff? Who's bright idea was it to completely nerf SCH damage into next to nothing AND also nerf the fairy? It's like the person calling the shots has a recent ex that was a SCH main. That's how bad it is.

I can't believe I've totally lost my desire to play this job. It was my first main, even before WHM. SE, fix this. Please.

Yeah having done one of the extreme right now and doing all the new 70 dungeons, I can for sure say that SCH is in a bad position right now. Our heals not getting any sort of increase to potency or the shields does not warrant using adlo as much as before, rather just regular heal the tank instead of wasting like 2k mana, i say 2k cause im not sure if its 1800 or around there. Tanks pulling large pulls is kind of annoying to heal through not without wasting all your heals on lustrate on them or something, as well as not being versatile if say the tanks want to get more adds after a few mobs die.