Thread: Consolidated Scholar 4.0 Feedback Thread

There are points that people seem to be missing
Excognitionseems to have been designed as a premptive heal sincei n the media tour build it had infinite duration but in current build its only 30s and in 8 man content that rarely goes off with fairy and other healers regen right now it is a skill that has negative synergy with scholars toolkit and we are encouraged to use it as a conditional lustrate for 50 more potency
Dissipation was indirectly nerfed this expansion with the introduction of fey aether still was only used rarely for dps in 3.0 when people were using it as intended. in addition to these complaints the skill design makes no sense it gives you 20% healing up which is pretty weak on sch, but you also gain 3 aetherflow and that encourages using ogcd heals that arent effected by the 20% healing up and you lose the fairy which is stronger than the 20% healing up. and you cant remove the buff to summon the fairy early so youre stuck without the fairy for 30s

Fey union Feels less responsive than enkindle there have been times where there seems to be a 5s delay and during that time the fairy isnt casting embrace so unless i get alot of ticks its not even worth using when that happens.
broil 2 just a potency increase a new dot to make us technically only lose 2 dots would have been preferable the loss of 3 dots has made sch dps like the other healers but without the healing/card mechanics to pay attention to
Chain stratagem lost all our other defensive utility to gain offensive utility having a libra like skill was expected eventually but gutting our utility aoe and single target dps making the class feel much weaker than it was before the expansion was not a good trade imo ecspecially when AST exists
Quickened Aetherflow boring theres no indication when it procs so i have a giant aetherflow icon next to my already 2 class quages having an indication on the quage would be nice

emergancy tactics still feels underwhelming compared to other healers ecspecially since the animation lock on it is so long
Manaoriginal astrologian had the weakes potencies but the lowest costing heals that was a neat idea but now scholar has the lost potency heals but the highest mana cost and it has the worst mana regen out of all other healers
AetherflowScholar must choose between damage and mana regen or healing for its aether flow stacks ast and whm used to have that by needing to pop out of clerics and assize but now sch is the only one that has to choose abd sch uses a resource to use ogcd heals so they all directly compete with each other whm has 4 ogcd heals with a 1min or less cd that can be consistantly reduced unlike aetherflow AST has 2 but both are much stronger than the equivalent sch has

Oh boy, here I go... never thought I would complain about a job in FFXIV, but this is the time I guess.

First and foremost, I'm somewhat unhappy with the SCH right now. I've been playing SCH since ARR with occasional phases of DRG or MCH, but my heart always belonged to the SCH. Until Stormblood hit. The changes that came with SB now ripped my heart out, tore it apart, threw it on the ground, and then stomped on it. I'll try to explain what bothers me most with the job.

Dissipation: I never really liked it and didn't understand why I would ever unsummon my fairy. Of course I get a 20% boost (which does not affect Lustrate and Co, lul) and three Aetherstacks. But in my books I doesn't simply make up for a fairy that can autoheal a different target as I take care of a tank. AND I have to manually resummon the fairy afterwards. I get punished twice for using something of my skill set, fantastic! Now with 70 it makes even less sense thanks to Aetherpact...

Aetherpact: What the hell did we do to Square Enix to receive such an awful skill? Don't get me wrong, I like it on the paper! But the execution is so poor, even No Man's Sky in it's release state seems more polished now. There's that way too long wind up animation and the rather short tether . Oh, and the fairy seems to be so bad at multitasking it can't keep the tether going and moving at the same time, happily burning that silly fairy gauge for no good when the tank needs so move out of AoE. But the worst thing of all? The heal. For something that requires me to use my most precious resource, Aetherstacks, the reward from using Fey Union is just underwhelming. It's sad. Oh yeah, losing or switching your fairy resets the gauge. Silly.

Adlo: Adlo was one of my favorite spells in ARR and HW. Why? Well, I could heal a target AND prevert it from a little bit of incoming damage! Now? It costs way too much mana, and is now even worse than AST shields. The thing that made us special is now also one of our worst skills. Well, I guess I learned to live without Adlo, and only give it to tanks who refuse to use their CDs or if a tank buster is about to come. I could as well play as WHM - and would heal significantly better.

Excogitation: Borderline useless. Nice on paper, but just like Aetherpact it hardly finds any practical use. If there only were some benefit when the buff runs out unused, or provides some kind of passive bonus as long as the buff is running. I rather use Lustrate because I know what I get and when I get it.

Chain Strategem: Just like Excog borderline useless. Duration too short or effect too low, I don't know. Not worth using it except for Primals Ex and Savage later on where every bit of DPS counts big time. And I thought they would remove niche skills.

Aetherflow: I'm very sad they put it down to 10%. I know, we can now use that other role skill as well, but wasn't the joke that we didn't need another skill because we already had one? Now we have two. I'm just glad I managed to somehow get along with Aetherflow alone.

General DPS capability: I can't say I'm happy how things are now. I don't mind not doing damage since I have enough to do with tanks unwilling to pop CDs, but WHEN a tanks uses them and I have a little bit spare time to cast some DoTs they're rather unimpressive and don't feel worth the mana and cast time. Bane's a plain joke in my eyes, and not even a funny one. More the offensive 'I spit in your face' kind of a joke.

Summary: SE successfully managed to patch my fun out of a job I care about and love. Please overhaul your overhaul, SE. If neccessary remove the fairy and make it a CD like the PvP skill. Or seperate SCH from ACN if that helps! Do something, I beg you.

Originally Posted by VallariaEllethwen

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Well, according to your profile you never completed any raids. (At least not the last turns). Shields aren't even needed somewhere else beside raids. (And even there they should be used rarely)
The Bubble does the same Mitigation than sacred soil, downswide for the AST is he cant move/use spells. The HoT can be brought for free with you fairy... buffed... every 60sec. Also scholar still have Fey Convenant which is 20% magic def up. Additional u still have an inbuilt 20% heal up which neither the whm and ast have now.
Excogitation is an amazing skill if you are in a group which is willing to utilize it.
Chain Strategem is strong, especially in combination with other buffs. You need to see the whole picture not just the class scholar.
Hell you even have way more access to all the Aetherstack spells now. (And the 10 sec reduce procs fairly often for "just" 20%")
Fey Union is actually useful if you try to find openings for it. (e.g. Susanno when you have to move right / left as group, you can totally ignore the tank)

I'm not saying Scholar are still OP, but they got closer streamlined to the other healers and are by far "nerfed to death". And sry, but its alot of babyrage going on in here right now which isn't even justified.
Just read all the proposals in this thread. 90% of them are would be way to strong (as like in your google doc)

And yes, Bole is to strong and even everyone of the world first / Speedrunners will tell you that and even would like to see it nerfed. But that doesn't make Scholar a "dead" class.

And no... Scholars aren't the weakest healers people are just exaggerating... instead of putting so much rage into it it might be better to either try to adapt to it and might find new challenges with it or just switch to the "so called op class" with which most of the players wont even use the max capability. (like they never did with scholar and now raging about)

Originally Posted by Amaret

And no... Scholars aren't the weakest healers

So do you consider Whm or Ast to be weaker? Because unless Sch is stronger than Whm or Ast...