Next Job/Jobs Speculation

[Claire_Pendragon]

Not just FFXI. Same thing with at least FFV, FFX and the FFTA series. He's looking at the fundamental aspect of "Blue Mage gets hit by a learnable skill, Blue Mage defeats mob with learnable skill, Blue Mage learns skill" that has spanned multiple FF games.

He's not the only one with that mentality either. If you want proof of that, check that link in my sig....I know it's a shameless plug, but it shows what opposition there is to Blue Mage learning spells via job quest fights and cutscenes (among other things).

Im refering to the parts i mentioned.
in FFV, you do not equip BLU spells. You have all of the ones you learned.
FFX sorta the same thing, except it was his LB.
FFTA, same as FFV.
FF6, same as FFV

You also ALWAYS learn the spell when hit by it in these games.

ONLY in XI does it require you equip a limited amount of spells, and ONLY in Xi do you not learn it by being hit by it, AND do you not get it even if hit by it 1,000 times, as its RNG.

He quotes nothing but FFXI rules, and claims why there is an issue.

But yeah, Ive been in that thread, and you and me talked about the job quest thing prior to that thread as well.

Im also suggesting its not JUST the job quest system, but a mix of that AND actually learning the spells elsewhere.
(though some varriations I would do could be that you gain access to certain "categories" of spells via job quest, rather than the spell itself. Along with having some basic WS/oGCDs which you learn naturally/job quests, so that your spells are slapped on top of the basic play style. Sort of like giving PLD shield oath, rage of halone combo, flash, and rampart. Then needing to go out and gain the filler spells. Some WS combos trigger a spell combo, and any spell of a certain category can fit into that combo. EX: Any single target attack, that is "Blunt dmg" can combo off their rage of halone clone. this way multiple spells can be learned, and in place of that finisher. Personally wouldnt quite do it like this, but its simplified enough to get the point across)

I don't know how a mage could be a tank? mages tend to be pretty squishy which means they'd make poor tanks.

Most tanks have a tank stance. Give the mage a spell which raises their toughness. Similar to protect, but much stronger, and for themselves. Essentially being thier tank stance.
(Personally I would make them have to cast the spell, along with splitting up the enmity part, and mitigation part, so they need to maintain 2 buff spells, and 1 oGCD thats on a long timer, like 8mins, that will swap to the DPS stance, w/o taking up a GCD/cast bar.)

But we already have Gravity. AST pretty much incorporated Time Mage with abilities like Time Dilation and Celestial Opposition.

Im fairly sure musketeer was being designed, but when they decided to go with jobs only, they went mechanist, and since Astrologians were in the game already as a class, I think it was meant to go Time Mage, considering the Time Mage AF is already in the game, but recolored. (Healer set looks the most correctly colored)

I also think they gave the Time Mage storyline to Alexander, when they fell in love with the potential of time travel.

but atm, AST just became GEO, so it just took out the possibility of a GEO class, since its now GEO.

As for the role I could see it as a tank, but I would like to be the opposite of RDM, a Mage mostly in the frontlines with short backline rotation.

Personally Id make their tank stance make certain 1s cast time spells non interruptable. (0.5 second cast spells dont get this treatment, nor spells of 1.5s+)
Then in DPS stance, they can be interrupted, but it wont matter if they arent tanking. (But id allow walking and casting, if this is possible to implement)

As for ranged options, all tanks have their pull, which is ranged, PLD has a single target 25yalm nuke, and DRK has a non casting ranged AoE, and ground targeting spell.
Id make them have a similar DPS AoE rotation to RDM, , along with an actual cast ranged AoE (0.5s which pretty much lets u cast and run, if u only pause to hit the button, but move before the cast bar starts)
and of course their usually Threat AoE. (Personally Id go with Breath Spells, in Cones, and they either would generate no threat, or very low threat, and you actually use white wind to raise ur threat, like a medica2 effect)

[Spawnie]

I want beast master as a tank

Can see this happening tbh.. will be more than likely tank n heals only so my money is on beastmaster n dancer

[Joe777]

Blue Mage they are either trying really hard to avoid adding or are trying to trick us into thinking they won't just to add it next expansion.

Beastmaster would be a good implementation for a pet system and potential Whip user, thus adding another Blunt DPS so Monk isn't alone anymore, unless it ends up like the casters who don't count because their Blunt attacks are auto-attacking lol

Dancer could make a decent support Job. Wouldn't consider it a Healer candidate but it could be a DEX candidate.

Geomancer is tricky to implement in its classical way, so perhaps a Healer candidate?

Mime because we all wanna dress like Gogo!

[Erudito]

For me, blue Mage is all that is left. Any other jobs after that are pure, glorious bonuses.

Make Blue Mage tank please. If you have trouble designing it, call me SE. I am serious.

We need one Mage type job a tank, for the balance and to bring it all full circle.

[Voltron_HD]

Blue mage as a tank would amazing! also im liking the Chemist healer idea. Sounds like it could go hand and hand with Alchemist of sorts. Maybe that's how that job could be introduced.

[Warlyx]

i want dual axe beastmaster , and blue mage the most :3

[Listrella]

I don't know how a mage could be a tank? mages tend to be pretty squishy which means they'd make poor tanks.

[Shiro--Tsubasa]

I don't know how a mage could be a tank? mages tend to be pretty squishy which means they'd make poor tanks.

Blue mages are unique in that they gain power through being hit. They are not your typical mage. Most of the Blue Mage characters that I know of tend to be able to take hits and provide support through their utility abilities like white wind and mighty guard. If anything they are one of the most suited jobs for a tank role due to their tendency to have high health and a diverse array of utility for most situations. The tank role is the only one that can satisfy the job without degrading some aspect of what we know as a blue mage.

[MomomiMomi]

Blue mages are unique in that they gain power through being hit.

Not necessarily. Various iterations of Blue Mage need only see the ability, they don't have to get hit by it.

[Kazrah]

I don't know how a mage could be a tank?

Just like how mage tanks work in any other game they've been implemented in. Defensive stance would increase defense, maybe health and other stats necessary for tanking, and problem solved. As for spells, most (if not all) spells would be instant-cast or at least given the Paladin treatment of interruption prevention.

Blue mages are unique in that they gain power through being hit. They are not your typical mage. Most of the Blue Mage characters that I know of tend to be able to take hits and provide support through their utility abilities like white wind and mighty guard. If anything they are one of the most suited jobs for a tank role due to their tendency to have high health and a diverse array of utility for most situations. The tank role is the only one that can satisfy the job without degrading some aspect of what we know as a blue mage.

They don't necessarily gain power through being hit, but rather abilities, which could be displayed via cutscenes from job quests rather than the old-fashioned "go hunt for it" method that will--and rightfully should--never work in this game. This means that Blue Mage could just as easily be a DPS, learning by observations regardless of whoever is being hit while having skills like White Wind as a support feature rather than a tanking skill.

Now that's not to say it shouldn't be a tank, but with FFXIV reinventing and re-adapting jobs of past games to be applied to a proper MMORPG, and Blue Mage doesn't deserve to be any different in that regard. It's really because of that that some aspect of what we know as Blue Mage would be degraded simply by being brought into the game, which I think is why Yoshi has been more vocal about why it wouldn't work.