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  1. #411
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    Vexander's Avatar
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    Rin Black
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    Tank: - Blue Mage. In the way a traditional Blue Mage learns skills by fighting monsters and observing them, I could see Blue Mage using magic to observe and interact with enemies in such a way as to survive encounters with them better. Get hit by a skill once, your chance to dodge/block/parry increases, that sort of thing.

    Healer: - Dancer. Melee based healer, using Aura-like skills through dances to buff party members similar to AST Cards, just weaker cause they're permanent, and using Healing Combos rather than static healing skills. What should be static healing skills are instead their OGCD emergency skills.

    DPS: - Beastmaster. Since SE is against additional pet classes, BST pets should be more like mobile turrets, a moving dot. BST should have two, 'Stances,' that change their gameplay. Their standard stance uses a whip, summons beasts, and is a Ranged DPS. Its other stance is its, 'Beast Stance,' allowing the BST to transform (bit of Morpher here) into a beast (model dependent upon specific weapon), and use melee attacks. The Stance is like Shield Oath/Sword Oath; active until canceled.
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  2. #412
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    Aribeth Lightbringer
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    I think SE will be change it view on pet jobs class it has already improve amazing on AI system. see the last mainline quest and other quest the worried for SE was away the AI. If you notice they state they will be add the adventure sqaurd. this is pet system in it own right. beast master
    small pet range dps the throw of acorns and other small objects.

    meduim pet tiger and drake the melee damage dealers.

    Large pets tricetops other large beast tanks.

    puppetmaster tank

    puppet the damage midgater

    the guy above me sound like he want create a druid for wow
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    Last edited by Savagelf; 08-25-2017 at 11:59 PM.

  3. #413
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    Nonni Brilante
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark-Saviour View Post
    Basically, it heals itself by leeching enemy HP, and it heals others by sacrificing its own HP. Likewise, it cures status effects from others by absorbing them itself, then cures itself of them by projecting them onto enemies.
    As long as it has tank-level HP to work with, it shouldn't be all that bad. Only problem is what job theme to attach it to that would make it seem more appealing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dameron View Post
    Personally, I think something like a Beastmaster could be made into a Tank. One form of damage mitigation could be to passively share the damage they take with their pet, while possessing various abilities that restore their pet's health or boost its attack or defenses as a side-effect.
    Although I'm not as much a fan of making BST a tank, this has to be the first BST concept I've seen from someone else that makes sense.
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  4. #414
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    Kazrah the statement dameron is make come to Rift version of beast master it make more sense for puppeteer of beast master.

    one shouldn't borrow of other games ideal

    druid is basic morpher '

    rift beast master is basic a tank

    I not against the trinity

    basic the rift beast master is almost the same as summoner
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    Last edited by Savagelf; 08-26-2017 at 12:12 AM.

  5. #415
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savagelf View Post
    Kazrah the statement dameron is make come to Rift version of beast master it make more sense for puppeteer of beast master.
    Actually, it makes sense for both. Just because it's not your exact perception of how it should be doesn't mean that it wouldn't work.
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  6. #416
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    I not say it won't be able work I just say is basic a carbon copy of rift beast master who is tank use the same system. it not original it not something SE would want do if not something made by them. the ideal I suggest is original and not different for ffxi version.

    when one ask Yoshi p he state would do beast master similar to ffxi

    for puppetmaster it kind funny when the puppet to died
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  7. #417
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savagelf View Post
    I not say it won't be able work I just say is basic a carbon copy of rift beast master who is tank use the same system. it not original it not something SE would want do if not something made by them. the ideal I suggest is original and not different for ffxi version.

    when one ask Yoshi p he state would do beast master similar to ffxi

    for puppetmaster it kind funny when the puppet to died
    Beastmaster in Rift isn't a tank though. It's a support role, which is effectively a dot-based DPS with a wide array of buffs. If anything, SMN is much closer to Beastmaster in Rift than that other concept is.

    Also, is there any way you can prove Yoshi-P actually mentioned anything on BST, let alone how it would be designed?
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    puppeteer work better that way anyways

    also beast master kind is already in game as NPC Jobs they use ability to strength they pets for combat it not must difference to make job

    puppeteer would use Mammets one gear it up as warrior so transform the debuff pretty well

    suggest the glamour system is a joke. pets should be difference

    Plus let SE best way apply the jobs

    nobody really want the glamour system for summoner we had set for it because SE refused to tried improve the summoner pets. I doubt people want bst have a glamour system ether
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    Last edited by Savagelf; 08-26-2017 at 09:12 AM.

  9. #419
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dameron View Post
    Personally, I think something like a Beastmaster could be made into a Tank. One form of damage mitigation could be to passively share the damage they take with their pet.
    There's problems with this concept that would need specific exceptions in order to work. If the pet acts like a normal pet, you've now essentially made a tank that takes double damage from all raid wide attacks and cleaves, as well as one that can potentially cheese damage sharing mechanics on a lot of fights. If the pet doesn't take regular damage then it can potentially be abused to exploit things in fights.

    In the end, it would likely have to be something that's just there to soak damage and die and then be quickly and easily resummoned, which doesn't really fit the theme of a beast master who you would think has a special bond with their beasts. It's something more fitting for a Necromancer or so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shippuu View Post
    snip
    That's where the second half of my sentence comes in.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dameron View Post
    One form of damage mitigation could be to passively share the damage they take with their pet, while possessing various abilities that restore their pet's health or boost its attack or defenses as a side-effect.
    Boss uses raid-wide AoE? Why not just let one of your core active abilities cast a passive buff on your pet that halves its AoE damage taken? Using a defensive cooldown? Share the same buff with your pet! Perhaps even have a cooldown that fully restores your pet's HP.
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