Next Job/Jobs Speculation

[Kazrah]

On a side note, after seeing WoW come up with the "Delayed dmg" idea for Monk, I realized there is still ways to make new forms of mitigation, we just need to think harder, and think of more complex concepts, besides just a single stats that lower dmg. Ive had a few ideas of my own, but they get a bit too complex to explain easily here, and some of which dont fit within how FFXIV intends to function.

That is one example, although it seems to take Blizzard months to re-balance it with each expansion. It's not the only example though.....

To balance most absorption effects, Rift had them absorb only a major portion of damage, usually around 85% of all damage taken up to a certain point (with only a couple of rare examples absorbing all damage). WoW also implemented a system like this with the Protection Warrior skill Ignore Pain.

Another example that WoW has used for a while in various parts of their toolkit for Paladin has been periodic damage absorption via Sacred Shield and now Blessing of Kings, where every few seconds, a bubble is created to absorb a small amount of damage (usually around 5% of max health). I used this for my Sorcerer concept as a means of imitating evasion tanking on a far more balanced level.

Aion's Aethertech class is a prime example of damage outsourcing, implementing a partial MP shielding system where a portion of all damage is reduced (~30%), but a greater portion of that reduced damage (~75% of it) would be dealt as MP damage. To offset the MP strain, the class also came with a multitude of MP generation skills, including a full combo, a proc buff, a charge-up skill and multiple cooldowns.

I'd say DCUO probably wins the award in tank innovation. One of the first tanking powers (Ice) had a cooldown that granted near-immunity to all damage and other negative effects while fully healing at the expense of not being able to move or attack for the duration of the ability. Another one (Earth) implemented the use of damage deference via the use of a pet or totem, where a portion of damage taken by the player would be redirected to the pet or totem, which would be compensated with access to abilities that could heal the pet or totem. Then there's the Rage powerset in DCUO, which bears a "high risk, high reward" system that can either be abysmally pathetic in the wrong hands or outright broken in the right ones.

Somewhere I have an exact ability formula of how devs have made tanks in SB (not like it's that hard to get). I think I might have to post that somewhere along with the one for healers....

[Savagelf]

I like see beast master as pet dps.

puppetmaster as tank

blue mage as duel weild scimitar tank avoidance

I so want to tamed drake and tiger sigh

[Savagelf]

I thought geomancer because it has access to elemental it could drawn on element to heal her or his allies and use them to buff her allies. stone skin could make come back here it could geomancer only spell

[Remedi]

stone skin could make come back here it could geomancer only spell

You might actually be onto something there

[Savagelf]

my suggest with beastmaster is hybrid pet/dps jobs were when beastmaster attack the pet does. where a pet can gain train point like early vanilla wow had. unlike hunter in wow beastmaster is melee to medium range Job. It weapon of choice is the whips. for example SE could make pet base on size. a Mammoth size beast is consider a tank, while tiger size beast is dps. a monkey size beast is more a kind to a rogue like dps. each pets has different pet skills depend on there family. the different is we could NM beast make come back for ffxi to ffxiv. a beast could learn skill for fight they own kind and could get selective skill in that area also you can take pet into dungeons. pets like tiger and monkey size can be able move with the beastmaster in cities while a mammoth size beast can not. pets family skills and combats relative skills. drake have elemental breath attack depend on they elemental. while tiger and lion have rake like skill cause a small bleed effect moves.

[dinnertime]

Am I the only one who prefers Dancer to be a DPS? Specifically an enfeebling support job like it usually is.

[Claire_Pendragon]

Am I the only one who prefers Dancer to be a DPS? Specifically an enfeebling support job like it usually is.

Technically I imagine Dancer as a DPS enfeebler like you say, but it was also one of the few times an MMO allowed a "Melee Healer" so people are wanting to see something different for healers for once, rather than just reskinning the same abilities, with little to no difference in playstyles. (I myself love to heal, but hate casters, which is the main reason i played tanks instead of healers. Then again I hate cloth and daggers, so I didnt main a DNC, I mained PLD and BLU instead in XI, and played PLD and DRK over healer in XIV)

[JunseiKei]

I'd sort of like to see Blue Mage in the way I kind of envision it being able to work in FFXIV. You use glamours to 'become' the monster you want, shifting in and out of each monster's form and inflicting different types of statuses. It'd be DoT heavy, no pet, and a weird mix of physical and magical damage (not like Red Mage that has close ranged magic when using melee combo at 80/80 mana). Like, this attack does physical damage, but the DoT you place is magic. It'd end up being a close ranged, instant-cast magic DPS.

[Laerune]

I think SE needs to think about which role to add for the new expansion. According to their data majority of the AST and DRK were already playing a healing or tanking class. This is one of the reasons why they added two DPS classes. The next class needs to be a healer and a tank, but those classes need to have something that lures the DPS players from their DPS class to the new tanking/healing class.

Personaly, I want to see these two classes:

Dancer: A healing melee ranged class that provides healing via their dancing and damage abilities. Whenever a Dancer attacks the enemy a % of the damage dealt to an enemy will heal the Dancer and their friends instead. If anyone here has played Warhammer Online, then this class would work similiar to the Disciple of Khaine. This will make the Dancer a very active class, something that alot of DPS players might want to try out.

EDIT: Maybe the Dancer could have two stances? An healing stance where they play as casters and dance while healing the group and a melee support stance which makes their DPS abilities give shields and small heals to the group?

Green Mage: A support tank wielding an hammer/mace (whichever one looks better) and a shield. This tank will provide special buffs (stuff like haste etc.) on their friends. Green Mage has a mechanic which lets the Green Mage plant special seeds on their friends, whenever they (friend) attack the monster, the enemity gained goes towards the Green Mage. Making the Green Mage an easy to use tank, who has support abilities and does mostly DPS.

As you have noticed, my goal was to bring something different to FFXIV, but also find a way to introduce the other roles to the DPS players.

[ShinMoon]

Yes, GRM (Green Mage) please. They gave clubs to DRKs, but no Hammers to WAR, so hammer wielding class might be in the works.