Please buff WHM

[Sylve]

I like the change just not strong enough. Give me more CDR and stronger heals.

Congratulations on encountering content that you and your party don't overgear by 60+ ilvls?


The general reduction in healer power across the board has me thinking the Devs are trying to nudge healers back in the direction of being actual healers instead of what they ended up as in HW - DPS that occasionally threw a Cure out.
Had many near wipes on trash leveling my Samurai because the healers went full blown DPS mode and thought that Eos or a Regen was enough to keep the tank alive ...

[Shizzle]

Congratulations on encountering content that you and your party don't overgear by 60+ ilvls?


The general reduction in healer power across the board has me thinking the Devs are trying to nudge healers back in the direction of being actual healers instead of what they ended up as in HW - DPS that occasionally threw a Cure out.
Had many near wipes on trash leveling my Samurai because the healers went full blown DPS mode and thought that Eos or a Regen was enough to keep the tank alive ...

THIS on so many levels even Yoshi.P had stated a while back he didnt design WHM's as dps, even in HW raid content the amount of WHM and scholars I carried because they wanted to dps was shockingly stupid. Note to all newbs and scrubs if you want to dps on a healer class roll a caster dps!

[Rawrz]

THIS on so many levels even Yoshi.P had stated a while back he didnt design WHM's as dps, even in HW raid content the amount of WHM and scholars I carried because they wanted to dps was shockingly stupid. Note to all newbs and scrubs if you want to dps on a healer class roll a caster dps!

If you are "carrying" your coheal because you saw them in Cleric Stance, You were probably overhealing. If my coheal didn't dps, then by the gods you better be able to solo heal. Not even solo healing if you count regen/embrace/ogcds so don't feel that accomplished. Push and pull. If you can't show your coheal you are going to dps then why should they heal?

[VanilleFang]

If you are "carrying" your coheal because you saw them in Cleric Stance, You were probably overhealing. If my coheal didn't dps, then by the gods you better be able to solo heal. Not even solo healing if you count regen/embrace/ogcds so don't feel that accomplished. Push and pull. If you can't show your coheal you are going to dps then why should they heal?

Pretty much this. This game isn't built to be difficult enough for a healer to be healing 100% of the time. Even when not overgeared dungeons and trials don't pump out nearly enough consistent damage for a healer to never DPS.

[Gemina]

Pretty much this. This game isn't built to be difficult enough for a healer to be healing 100% of the time. Even when not overgeared dungeons and trials don't pump out nearly enough consistent damage for a healer to never DPS.

Whoa! That's not true at all. The gear of a tank greatly determines how much they will need heals. You get an undergeared tank, or one at the minimum requirement and you can expect to heal them the entire time, especially if they pull more than they can chew.

I found it pretty common actually in PUGs that the more a tank pulls, the less equipped they are to handle it. They don't use CDs and expect the healer to simply keep them alive, and sacrifice all of their potential DPS as a result. Granted, there are always windows that pop up for a healer to DPS, even more so now that stat swapping is gone, but do not rule out the existence of squishy tanks. They are everywhere.

[Rawrz]

Whoa! That's not true at all. The gear of a tank greatly determines how much they will need heals. You get an undergeared tank, or one at the minimum requirement and you can expect to heal them the entire time, especially if they pull more than they can chew.

I found it pretty common actually in PUGs that the more a tank pulls, the less equipped they are to handle it. They don't use CDs and expect the healer to simply keep them alive, and sacrifice all of their potential DPS as a result. Granted, there are always windows that pop up for a healer to DPS, even more so now that stat swapping is gone, but do not rule out the existence of squishy tanks. They are everywhere.

Really? Especially on WHM you should have ZERO reason not to. You are GUARANTEED 7 seconds of dps uptime EVERY pull. Holy. Aoe stun. Best mitigation in the game. 0 damage taken for 4 seconds. How do I know you have time to dps? Because my husband leveled up whm for this expac. Even with back to back pulls in leveling content, where gear is HQ whites, between holy, tetra, cd reduced benediction, cure II cuz delete cure at this point, DB and allot of swearing he NEVER let a tank die.

People need to step it up or pull the Yoshi-P healer DPS card.

[Gemina]

Really? Especially on WHM you should have ZERO reason not to. You are GUARANTEED 7 seconds of dps uptime EVERY pull. Holy. Aoe stun. Best mitigation in the game. 0 damage taken for 4 seconds. How do I know you have time to dps? Because my husband leveled up whm for this expac. Even with back to back pulls in leveling content, where gear is HQ whites, between holy, tetra, cd reduced benediction, cure II cuz delete cure at this point, DB and allot of swearing he NEVER let a tank die.

People need to step it up or pull the Yoshi-P healer DPS card.

Yes, really. SC+Holy and assize are great tools to have in this situation, but they are not always available. If the tank is taking high and/or unpredictable damage, I will not feel safe dpsing. And that is all the reason I need.

[Ildefons]

Really? Especially on WHM you should have ZERO reason not to. You are GUARANTEED 7 seconds of dps uptime EVERY pull. Holy. Aoe stun. Best mitigation in the game. 0 damage taken for 4 seconds. How do I know you have time to dps? Because my husband leveled up whm for this expac. Even with back to back pulls in leveling content, where gear is HQ whites, between holy, tetra, cd reduced benediction, cure II cuz delete cure at this point, DB and allot of swearing he NEVER let a tank die.

People need to step it up or pull the Yoshi-P healer DPS card.

I've been doing a lot of dungeons since early access (helping my guildies with their Sams and Reds) and I've seen that either mob damage was increased, tank defense was reduced or suddenly every tank sucks.

The first one is unlikely since, well, who would bother buffing the damage of Dusk/Stone Vigil mobs?, and the third is obviously wrong. My personal theory is that tanks got their defence nerfed to balance it with Tenacity and to increase the difficulty a little bit. But I digress.

My point was that I've seen tanks go from 90% to 15% in a single GCD. So yes, the gear and personal skill of a tank matters and those things will determine if I'll be able to DPS or if I'll have to spam Cure II on them like there's no tomorrow.

Obviously they are the exception to the rule (in my experience they're really common but I might just be unlucky), but they're still there and we've got to adapt our play style to them.

In the grand scheme of things dungeons may be irrelevant and once people starts overgearing them we'll think they're no more difficult than the level 10 guildhests, but the truth is that there will always be tanks who will need some baby sitting, so there may still be occasions when the healer will have no choice but heal nearly 100% of the time.

[IveraIvalice]

THIS on so many levels even Yoshi.P had stated a while back he didnt design WHM's as dps, even in HW raid content the amount of WHM and scholars I carried because they wanted to dps was shockingly stupid. Note to all newbs and scrubs if you want to dps on a healer class roll a caster dps!

Every good healer knows when you dps or when to heal. If a healer is dpsing then they already made the judgment that they have enough free time to dps and keeping people up isn't a problem. If someone dies then the healer isn't doing his/her job. But that doesn't mean every healer who dps's is a battle healer first that sucks.

Seriously it's already been talked about a lot on these forums wether it's expected of a healer to dps and I can say I don't care about that, I keep my party alive and well because I know how to heal and what panic spells to use if something unexpected should happen, therefore I dps often because the alternative is standing there doing nothing. And really the only thing everyone in my party should care about is that they are alive and well. That being said, if my tank or me is undergeared and he's dying fast I won't dps. It's a judgment call that a good healers knows which to do at a moments notice