The boring mage of red

[RyouAkizuki]

After playing Red Mage the whole MSQ, I feel their melee attacks aren't that strong. Until you get ver flare/holy at the very end, it feels like you do more dps chaining spells than wasting time jumping in and out for melee attacks.

Across 3 GCD's a Red Mage spellcasting will do, by some rough calculations, 750 Potency on average before Jolt II is unlocked, and 800 Potency on average after Jolt II.

By comparison the Red Mage's Enhanced Melee combo will do guaranteed 970 Potency over those same GCDs.

It should be noted that getting the most optimal spell combo (Procced Spell, VerThunder/VerAero, Procced Spell) is 840 Potency for 3 GCDs.

So yes, it always is worth it.

[LunarEmerald]

Across 3 GCD's a Red Mage spellcasting will do, by some rough calculations, 750 Potency on average before Jolt II is unlocked, and 800 Potency on average after Jolt II.

By comparison the Red Mage's Enhanced Melee combo will do guaranteed 970 Potency over those same GCDs.

It should be noted that getting the most optimal spell combo (Procced Spell, VerThunder/VerAero, Procced Spell) is 840 Potency for 3 GCDs.

So yes, it always is worth it.

Is that taking into account time spent jumping at/away from the enemy? That's like 1 whole GCD wasted in time.

[Tide]

Is that taking into account time spent jumping at/away from the enemy? That's like 1 whole GCD wasted in time.

Corps a corps and displacement are both off gcd abilities. So shouldnt be using up gcd time.

[LunarEmerald]

Corps a corps and displacement are both off gcd abilities. So shouldnt be using up gcd time.

I'm talking about travel time. Takes about 1 sec to pull yourself towards the enemy and another second to jump away. Almost a full 2.5 GCD.

I'm pretty sure it's more optimal to not use those abilities and just stay in melee range the entire fight. You get bonus auto attack damage and you won't waste time jumping towards/away the enemy repeatedly.

[RyouAkizuki]

I'm talking about travel time. Takes about 1 sec to pull yourself towards the enemy and another second to jump away. Almost a full 2.5 GCD.

I'm pretty sure it's more optimal to not use those abilities and just stay in melee range the entire fight. You get bonus auto attack damage and you won't waste time jumping towards/away the enemy repeatedly.

Except that (less than) one second travel time is easy to weave between GCDs. You dualcast a spell to get to 80/80 mana, use Corps-a-corps while waiting for the GCD go come back, execute the weaponsklills, weave in Displacement after using Redoublement, cast Verholy or Verflare. No time wasted.

[Tide]

I'm talking about travel time. Takes about 1 sec to pull yourself towards the enemy and another second to jump away. Almost a full 2.5 GCD.

I'm pretty sure it's more optimal to not use those abilities and just stay in melee range the entire fight. You get bonus auto attack damage and you won't waste time jumping towards/away the enemy repeatedly.

The jump is very fast, has a potency for damage so its a loss to not use it. Its ogcd pretty much a full 2.5s window to make the jumps and also dont give auto attacks credit. 56 damage when your soells hit for 8k is negligible even over a full fight, and to imply that auto attcks would make up more damage than corps a corps and displacement over the course of a fight is absolutely incorrect.

[Xehmnus]

I'm talking about travel time. Takes about 1 sec to pull yourself towards the enemy and another second to jump away. Almost a full 2.5 GCD.

I'm pretty sure it's more optimal to not use those abilities and just stay in melee range the entire fight. You get bonus auto attack damage and you won't waste time jumping towards/away the enemy repeatedly.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but don't auto attacks cancel the dual cast proc? I believe that's what I've heard anyway. In such a case, staying in melee range would hurt a lot more than worrying about dashing in/out which... shouldn't be really tampering with your damage anyway since they're simple enough to weave in.

[WaywardPilgrim]

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but don't auto attacks cancel the dual cast proc? I believe that's what I've heard anyway. In such a case, staying in melee range would hurt a lot more than worrying about dashing in/out which... shouldn't be really tampering with your damage anyway since they're simple enough to weave in.

I believe the auto attack canceling it is a mis-translation. That said, I don't think RDM auto attacks add anything meaningful to their DPS as they scale off of strength (I'm surprised they didn't go with Dex) and hit like a wet paper towel.

[Remnance]

I believe the auto attack canceling it is a mis-translation. That said, I don't think RDM auto attacks add anything meaningful to their DPS as they scale off of strength (I'm surprised they didn't go with Dex) and hit like a wet paper towel.

Yes, an auto attack will remove your dual cast proc. It is an actual game mechanic.