Is Onslaught a joke?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

A charge without cost would be a little crazy for some higher end content mobility wise. It's not supposed to initiate a fight, it's meant to get you back into it. This is mostly an ability which is gonna be used during boss fights to get you right back in after you have to run from an aoe or something. Or in PvP to keep up with players due to our lack of a stun

You mean like Plunge? :P

Onslaught right now is completely worthless. It's a DPS loss in any situation due to the Beast Gauge cost and it's laughably weak. Basically, take it off your hotbar after you're done messing with the animation. Even in a knockback scenario, I'm never going to interrupt a Fell Cleave combo for really weak gap closer nor would I want to waste BG when I could be using Decimate/Steel Cyclone.

[Lyth]

Onslaught is a resource based gap closer, like SAM's Gyoten. It has a cost to offset the negligible recast. The point is to increase uptime on demand, not potency. Part of the reason why you see no SAM complaints on this issue is because most melee dps would understand the value of sacrificing a small amount of potency in the short term to avoid missing a GCD ability.

If you reduced the cost by even 10, it would become more resource efficient than Fell Cleave. Even as it is, under Berserk + IR, there are certain GCDs under which Onslaught is more resource efficient (basically, if FC replaces any GCD other than HS in the window). The balance is fairly tight.

[Ogulbuk]

Onslaught is a resource based gap closer, like SAM's Gyoten. It has a cost to offset the negligible recast. The point is to increase uptime on demand, not potency. Part of the reason why you see no SAM complaints on this issue is because most melee dps would understand the value of sacrificing a small amount of potency in the short term to avoid missing a GCD ability.

If you reduced the cost by even 10, it would become more resource efficient than Fell Cleave. Even as it is, under Berserk + IR, there are certain GCDs under which Onslaught is more resource efficient (basically, if FC replaces any GCD other than HS in the window). The balance is fairly tight.

I dont know about SAM, but on war, wasting 20 BG on this "to not waste a cooldown" means you now got to go through a full combo rotation to recover. That is 3 GCDs to get back to the point you were in before.

Maybe if I just executed Maim and had the option to execute Storm Path, but the enemy ran away or something, THEN using that 20 may be a wash by Onslaught in, and get that 20 back, but this is already crazy situational, demanding positional changes in the field at the same time as you are in a very specific combo step.

If this must cost a resource, it should have higher potency. If there is worry about it being too much potency while in dps stance, then just make it something like 150 potency and have it ignore Defiance penalty.

Better: Keep the current cost, but when in Defiance it will cost no BG and grant 10 BG (if you stance dance, you automatically lose 5 BG.)

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

I dont know about SAM, but on war.

It's a similar cost at 10 Kenki. Using both the out/in dashes will cost you 20, which you'll not only need to land a full 3 step combo, you'll also have to make sure you get the positional on the 3rd or you'll need a fourth! At 10 for the dash in, you'll need one or two GCD to recover from the loss, depending on what step you're on in your combo, you're landing a positional, or stabbing with Yuki. Both dashes also only deal 100 damage, but they save time on movement if you need to either dodge an AoE or quickly get to an add to burst down.

[Duelle]

You mean like Plunge? :P

Onslaught right now is completely worthless. It's a DPS loss in any situation due to the Beast Gauge cost and it's laughably weak. Basically, take it off your hotbar after you're done messing with the animation. Even in a knockback scenario, I'm never going to interrupt a Fell Cleave combo for really weak gap closer nor would I want to waste BG when I could be using Decimate/Steel Cyclone.

I'd probably change it to a charge that generates 10 beast gauge, deals 100 potency damage with increase enmity, has a 20s cooldown, but can only be used when you're more than 15y from target. This way you don't get tempted to run out to use it like MNKs did with Shoulder Tackle and it can be used at the start of the fight.

[konpachizaraki]

well to be honest with you everything that isn't pld is a joke right now for tanks

[Ogulbuk]

I have not played PLD, but I hear from some people Shield Stance sucks in bosses due to the slow hit rate?

[Bdyer]

I have not played PLD, but I hear from some people Shield Stance sucks in bosses due to the slow hit rate?

Yes building gauge in shield oath is slow on bosses until Holy Spirit, then it pick up. Of course paladin's oath gauge has nothing you can spend with it offensively so most of the time mine just sits at 100 or is spent on Shelton not for the block but for the mp restore.

[Agrieus]

Yes building gauge in shield oath is slow on bosses until Holy Spirit, then it pick up. Of course paladin's oath gauge has nothing you can spend with it offensively so most of the time mine just sits at 100 or is spent on Shelton not for the block but for the mp restore.

The offensive aspect is via shield swipe - which should always be on cooldown. And the current Paladin is built around casting Holy Spirit, burning off your mp with it (while using sheltron to recover your MP WHILE you're throwing out Holy Spirits) then rebuilding your MP up again to use Requiescat + Holy Spirit. Fight or Flight should be used while rebuilding MP, while Requiescat should be used just before you start your Holy Spirit spam. Also, you don't Halone on Paladin after 64. Ever. You do way more damage with spamming Holy spirit and Shield Swipe + Circle of scorn is enough to maintain hate.

Even if a DPS comes close to pulling off you, there's no reason for any of them not to bring their hate dumper. There's zero reason for any dps or healer to pull off a tank now since everyone has access to hate builders and hate dumpers.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

There's zero reason for any dps or healer to pull off a tank now since everyone has access to hate builders and hate dumpers.

That awkward moment you keep pulling off the MT despite keeping Diversion on CD... it's not a hate dump, though, just a quelling.