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  1. #1
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    daedalusAI's Avatar
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    Albedo Thiay
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    Ragnarok
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    Arcanist Lv 55

    Unlocking abilities

    Wasn't SB supposed to rework and simplify the whole "having to be level X with your job unlocked to have access to most of your abilities to be able to fully enjoy your class"?

    If I take my THM as an example: depending on the situation I literally only have to press a few buttons consisting of fire, blizzard, transpose and thunder.

    I was hoping the class will get better once I've unlocked my job so I forced myself to get to lvl 30 - but no: even having BLM unlocked I still have the same boring abilities while almost being forced to get to lvl 70 to fully unlock all my abilities to have a real shot at actually testing the class in its entirety to see if it suits me or not.
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    Mikkairi's Avatar
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    Akh Morn
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    Seraph
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    White Mage Lv 90
    The rework you're referring to is the rework of the Cross Class functions, not reworking how jobs in entirety work. For example, previously you had to level THM to 26 for Swiftcast, which was a mandatory class skill for healers. Now, you just need to be 32 on any of the casters or healers to unlock Swiftcast. They also removed having to level another class to 15 to unlock a job. If you want to experience how a job functions at 60+, the only option currently is Palace of the Dead, which will give you a pretty alright idea of rotations on the boss floors.
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    Pence's Avatar
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    Bravo Whiskey
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    Ravana
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    Run POTD to 60, that takes an hour or two. That gives you enough of a demo to know whether or not you will like it
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  4. #4
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikkairi View Post
    The rework you're referring to is the rework of the Cross Class functions, not reworking how jobs in entirety work. For example, previously you had to level THM to 26 for Swiftcast, which was a mandatory class skill for healers. Now, you just need to be 32 on any of the casters or healers to unlock Swiftcast. They also removed having to level another class to 15 to unlock a job. If you want to experience how a job functions at 60+, the only option currently is Palace of the Dead, which will give you a pretty alright idea of rotations on the boss floors.
    Those things I already know.
    It's still strange that you remove attributes, remove the 2nd class requirement for jobs and rework the cross-class abilities - while leaving the whole "having to be lvl 70 to unlock every ability" intact.
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    Baradaeg Ryssbhirwyn
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    Lich
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    Warrior Lv 80
    The full toolkit is always just at levelcaps.
    All before levelcap will lead you to your full tollkit by introducing it in small parts to you, so you wont be overwhelmed by it.
    Some toolkits are more or less complete below or at level 50 but most jobs are getting major additions with the new abilities and some just QoL.
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    Warlyx Arada
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    Moogle
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 90
    all casters have the same class abilities now


    and blm gets more fun later on , once u get enochian and can use Fire IV blizzard IV and manage to keep enochian and of course astral fire , and no idea about SB , but once u have enochian for more than 30s u are able to use Foul
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    Hashmael Lightswain
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    Zalera
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    Black Mage Lv 90
    Er, what? You're complaining that you don't have access to all skills at level 1 or something? What kind of mechanic are you expecting where leveling up doesn't grant you access to more and better tools?
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  8. #8
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    Arcanist Lv 55
    Quote Originally Posted by Hasrat View Post
    Er, what? You're complaining that you don't have access to all skills at level 1 or something? What kind of mechanic are you expecting where leveling up doesn't grant you access to more and better tools?
    You could try to argue without hyperbole and actually reading my post.

    To make it easier for you:
    Lvl 30 MNK
    8/13 actions unlocked
    1/13 job actions unlocked
    Only counting the abilities as you can see them in your spell book.

    I'm closing in on being half of the current max. level of 70 and so far I've only unlocked 9/26 abilities.
    Pretty meager.
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    Last edited by daedalusAI; 06-19-2017 at 08:12 PM.

  9. #9
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    Lho Polaali
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    Conjurer Lv 23
    Quote Originally Posted by daedalusAI View Post
    You could try to argue without hyperbole and actually reading my post.

    To make it easier for you:
    Lvl 30 MNK
    8/13 actions unlocked
    1/13 job actions unlocked
    Only counting the abilities as you can see them in your spell book.

    I'm closing in on being half of the current max. level of 70 and so far I've only unlocked 9/26 abilities.
    Pretty meager.
    Level 30 MNK and 9 actions overall.
    Half of the current max level of 70 is roughly 35, and you're still at 9 actions. That's really comparable and really not that far apart from each other. I wonder if some of your complaints don't stem from the fact some of our skills are support in nature rather than part of the rotation, but they're just as invaluable if not more.
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    Last edited by BillyKaplan; 06-19-2017 at 09:12 PM.

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    Bravo Whiskey
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    Ravana
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by daedalusAI View Post
    You could try to argue without hyperbole and actually reading my post.

    To make it easier for you:
    Lvl 30 MNK
    8/13 actions unlocked
    1/13 job actions unlocked
    Only counting the abilities as you can see them in your spell book.

    I'm closing in on being half of the current max. level of 70 and so far I've only unlocked 9/26 abilities.
    Pretty meager.
    Level 30 takes about a day....you're complaining you don't have your entire skill set in a day?
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