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    Big_Panda's Avatar
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    Bamboo Panda
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    Behemoth
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    Ninja Lv 76

    I can not seem to hold aggro as War

    I have kept my War for high level dungeons since getting it to 60 so I might just not remember the way it was.

    Since the SB launch, I always go do my daily roulettes with my FC buddies and I had lots of trouble keeping the aggro on mobs in low level dungeons (i.e. without stance)

    I would overpower twice, switch to 1-2 combo for slash debuff then keep going. But I can see the DPS's aggro meter rising with each GCD and spamming my aggro combo barely keeps up.

    I should mention this happens mostly with RDM.

    Did War get a nerf in aggro generation or did I just forget to tank without tank stance?
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    eagledorf's Avatar
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    Jugem Mumei
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    Tonberry
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    Gladiator Lv 37
    I think RDM is simply a bit OP right now. I notice they rip hate easily as well, even faster than SAM do. They also tend to go single target so if you only AoE they pick one off.
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    Last edited by eagledorf; 06-19-2017 at 12:12 PM.

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    Hazel Korhonen
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    Hyperion
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    Paladin Lv 80
    The few levels before tank stance are gonna be a nightmare for everyone. With damage going back to scaling with Str, I wouldn't be surprised if it became harder to keep hate before Defiance. My advice is to use Overpower twice, do one combo, Overpower again, do one combo, Overpower again, so on, so forth. It might be a strain on your TP, but really tanks have very little tools to hold aggro in those low levels.
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    In 3.x, Cover was useless and everyone wanted a gap closer. In 4.x, gap closers are useless and everyone wants Cover.

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    Reynhart Kristensen
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    Ragnarok
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    My advice : go back to the roots. Mark the targets with a kill order and focus on one at a time.
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    Tint's Avatar
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    Karuru Karu
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    Shiva
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    Fisher Lv 100
    it's simply impossible to hold enmity against an red mage in low level content. i was spamming unleashed and still lost enmity...
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    Violet Baudelaire
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    Goblin
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    Dark Knight Lv 83
    Mix in a little bit of Flash to save on TP. Oh wait...
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    Zara Diaspora
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    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Carpenter Lv 63
    Mind you I'm brand new to tanking in general and new to warrior so I still have my green leaf on me in a sense, never did much with them since 1.0.

    Taking up tanking I haven't had much trouble in higher levels (so far I've only gotten 51+) I've had SAM and RDM in my first party in SB. I lost hate when I was trying to prioritize certain things over my general hate thinking I was safe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    My advice : go back to the roots. Mark the targets with a kill order and focus on one at a time.
    This also has been a staple because when I do loose hate it's because I'm focusing on the entire group and when I go for a single hate combo I loose it if I'm not quick enough or on sync with the other damage dealers. Numbering them lets me and the single target DPS know what we're both after. When I do that, I have no issues. Later on it might not be an issue but right now it's good practice.

    Maybe I need to do a few lower levels to see but anything HW - SB (just unlocked the lv. 65 dungeon so haven't done that one) I haven't had any hate issues that were the systems fault, but purely my own. Me using Steel Cyclone a bit more / Ultimatum if I feel uneasy + Overpower gets me back on track if I loose focus. Then again this isn't for everyone, just what I've done to keep my PT alive.
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    Last edited by Leigaon; 06-19-2017 at 09:35 PM.

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    Launched's Avatar
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    Character
    Rys Sol
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    Omega
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 90
    You're not using enough Overpower. Unless you're only fighting one or two targets at a time, you should burn through most of your TP on Overpower before you start doing single target damage. Don't waste time putting up Eye for Overpower, the 3 gcds used for single target means that it won't even break even after 13 gcds. Berserk should be up for almost every single group, and Unchained for every 2nd trash pack and every boss.
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    Berti Dalva
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    Adamantoise
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    Summoner Lv 58
    As a total noob tank myself, I noticed that at least for the first three instances you are better off using Overpower A LOT since you won't have enough time to throw in your first "standard-rotation" before trigger happy Red Mages have aggroed the whole group. 2-3 OPs and you might have time to do something
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    Jezebeth Soulkeeper
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    Zodiark
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    Machinist Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by eagledorf View Post
    I think RDM is simply a bit OP right now. I notice they rip hate easily as well, even faster than SAM do. They also tend to go single target so if you only AoE they pick one off.
    RDM er very OP atm. SAM. is lackluster imo especialy in defence....and yes WAR. needs better tools to keep aggro.
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