Broil

[BloodRubyXII]

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Partially trolling yes, but mostly because I just tire of you asking for things to be deleted when you can't cope with them. PS I rarely ever got hit with repose, I never complained about it even though I could see why it was considered a nuisance. So because our playerbase has a relatively low skillset the game should be dumbed down further, that's the impression you give me. Aside from me trolling you make some excellent suggestions usually and give constructive feedback, but recently you have been on a downhill spiral of "I hate everything that hurts me"

[Kai_Lee]

I think there are other abilities that are more broken then broil atm, *cough* foul.

[Koltik]

I think there are other abilities that are more broken then broil atm, *cough* foul.

This thread is about broil, but feel free to make other posts. We need to give more feedback in general.

Partially trolling yes, but mostly because I just tire of you asking for things to be deleted when you can't cope with them. PS I rarely ever got hit with repose, I never complained about it even though I could see why it was considered a nuisance. So because our playerbase has a relatively low skillset the game should be dumbed down further, that's the impression you give me. Aside from me trolling you make some excellent suggestions usually and give constructive feedback, but recently you have been on a downhill spiral of "I hate everything that hurts me"

Can't cope with them? I'm not even healing this season. The only thing I care about is balanced PvP. Broil isn't balanced, simple. If MP drain stays in, everyone who wants to heal competitively will be required to play SCH.

[BloodRubyXII]

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We had pretty much one Scholar in the top 100 that actively queued on Chaos (Dacien); thus implying in order to be competitive last season you were almost universally better off playing ast or WHM. Anyone who wanted to tank competitively last season was more or less required to not play DRK. I don't have a doubt in my mind Broil is too strong on its' current state and there's no way it'll last to the start of s5, but to gut it means to also gut Scholar's first chance at actually standing out as a solid pick. Blind is weak, we had Ruin II in S4 and it rarely made an ounce of difference compared to the CC of AST/WHM, I'm not totally opposed to 2, but it'd be counter productive to use it unless you're seriously ahead and if this is the case, you'd probably get more ahead by just not using it. Give other healers access to it? No, give them something as good as it whilst still offering something unique. Give AST a disgusting healing debuff cast, give WHM an ability to temporarily ignore line of sight or cast whilst moving/channeled heal whilst moving or something - give them something to put them in a level playing field instead of just suggesting "dump it".

[TiramisuMacaron]

Blind is weak,

Ok.... Blind was probably the most broken status effect outside of sleep and stun. Ask any top tier melee dps and they will 100% tell you that blind is not weak. One of the reasons I think rum raisin and taru were able to do so well on sch is their optimized blind usage to stop bursts.

To not sidebar this discussion, Repose was easier to play around because healers had way more tools to keep people alive, while running around. And you could easily track your 8s of sleep DR cycles. If we see a game with 8 good players, healers rarely will be able to do anything outside of heal, having said that, if the sch team does get a kill the game will snowball into a broil fest, where you just keep the healer at 0 mp and continue to farm the team. With bad players you can just spam broil every other gcd, no dr, no punishment. It's pretty broken. Broil right now is essentially mana drain from wotlk, completely absurd.

[BloodRubyXII]

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Ah yes, two successful players - remind me how many data centers in this game again? It obviously wasn't strong enough to be competitive. Also didn't Taru get dqed in S4 (slightly off-topic). Maybe "weak" was a bit of an undercredit, but it definitely wasn't broken lol.

Drain Mana could channel out of LoS (and was a channelled cast in general), Broil is broken but it isn't that broken lol. I recognise your point of SCH teams snowballing out of control, likewise, removing broil isn't the answer, allowing other healers to have a response to it is. The alternative is a longer cast time - but removing it sets a bad precedent, it'd be nice to finally have more aggressive healers. That last part is a personal opinion though and likely comes from being an ex multiglad Disc Priest that would have never got that far if RMP wasn't the most fun comps for an aggressive healer in the history of that game.

[Cleanse]

They could give Broil the Virus treatment and apply 'Grants target immunity to the same effect for X seconds after mana drained'.

[Korihu]

If it means anything I think SCH are plenty strong even if they didn't have MP Drain and had something else on broil to be more balanced with the other healers~ SCH getting some other effect on Broil is not going to make them unwanted, their skills are still strong! Based on the games I played Broil is definitely plenty strong, and it is harder than it seems to LoS it! I had one game where the enemy SCH practically Broiled me the whole game despite my best attempts to dash around walls, I can't run around walls forever when I have to stand still and hard cast in sight of my dps ;w;

[Volene]

Or people could just learn to LoS the SCH if they aren't in the mood for being burned like everyone else had to do vs Disc Priests in WoW.

That's a fairly weak argument. The thing is that "stay out of LoS" applies to EVERYTHING, not just Broil but also AST and WHM nukes - but on top of that, those are also subject to immunity and Concentrate/Purify while Broil isn't, and its effect is already ridiculously better in the first place. I'm sorry, but if "stay out of LoS" was valid advice, WHM Repose would have never been meta in past seasons, and ranged DPS and especially BLM would deal next to no damage over entire games because "just stay out of LoS lol", but we all know that's not how it works, that's just not a valid strategy to maintain over an 8-minute game where you have to heal your team. Sure, it helps against Broil, but Broil needs a counterplay that's not generic nothingness that applies to every ranged ability ever. Make it subject to DR, decrease the amount of MP drained or change its effect entirely to another enfeeblement to make it more in line with the other healer nukes.

[Ashua]

"learn to LOS"

aka: let your DPS die behind a wall since you're busy hiding from the enemy scholar the entire match.

aka: when you are forced to spam heal out in the open while someone is being burst down and the enemy healer can get a few casts off on you regardless.

aka: when you are stunned every 10s and healer can get a cast off on you.

aka: when you have to play hide and seek with enemy healer while they have nothing to fear from you.

Shall I go on?

Sounds like a dynamic fight which is what pvp should be all about or itleast I thought.