Broil

[Koltik]

Obligatory thread for this skill. It's completely broken, it's worse than Repose ever was. The biggest problem right now is that other healers cannot do anything remotely similar to a 1k mana drain, and it is completely spammable during quieter moments.

For example, when boxes are up, or if your team scores you a kill, you basically have free rein to spam it on the enemy healer, or even tank. It only takes 20 seconds of this to drain anyone from full MP to 0, which is overkill. Even getting 2-3 casts off during a prolonged fight gives you a huge edge over other healers. If you are using it on a tank you are trading 1 GCD to take away what they gain in potentially 3 GCD (PLD).

Solutions:

1. Change the MP drain to a completely different effect.
2. Reduce MP drain to 250 instead of 1000. Yes, I know it costs 500 to cast and it wouldn't be used much, but that is the same state that AST and WHM damage skill is in.
3. Give other healers access to the same thing

[Volene]

I have to agree that Broil is broken (can anyone argue otherwise, really?), but I can't agree with it draining more MP than it costs to cast, that would make the skill completely pointless. My main problem with it is that unlike WHM's and AST's nukes, Broil has no real counter except "don't even be in a SCH's line of sight". Slow and Heavy are both subject to immunity after a hit, and can be negated by abilities like Concentrate. Broil needs a similar counter (maybe an immunity to MP drain after a hit to be in line with other enfeeblements?), or reduce the MP drained to 500, but in this case the casting cost would need to be tuned down to 250.

[Koltik]

I have to agree that Broil is broken (can anyone argue otherwise, really?), but I can't agree with it draining more MP than it costs to cast, that would make the skill completely pointless.

Just the fact that people are seeing the MP drain as its primary purpose is the reason it needs a nerf. It's a nuke, and a healer one at that, it shouldn't be the most potent skill in its class. Right now it is beyond that, since they're literally the only class with an MP drain (thankfully). I can guarantee you that in a real game you will see almost no AST or WHM even bother casting their DD because it is not even worth it since, again, it's a nuke on a healer. The secondary effect isn't good enough to warrant a cast alone, so why should that be any different for SCH?

[Volene]

I can guarantee you that in a real game you will see almost no AST or WHM even bother casting their DD because it is not even worth it since, again, it's a nuke on a healer. The secondary effect isn't good enough to warrant a cast alone, so why should that be any different for SCH?

Perhaps this is where I disagree. I've played games as other healers and abused my nukes in some other situations as well. The most common is when one (or both!) of their DPS die and there's almost no pressure at all, or when their healer dies and the enemy is retreating, again applying no pressure. Especially on WHM, the heavy helps secure kills very often on a retreating DPS with no healer. It may be a weak healer nuke, but when even the healer is applying pressure, it makes it so their healer can't and puts your team at an advantage (where your team as a whole is applying more pressure than theirs, some sort of momentum, if you want). I find it's easier to create opportunities for it on WHM because of the regens. With Eos changed to heal only when you heal, WHM is the only healer who can keep healing passively while dishing out damage.

Even in 3.X, with damage skills having practically no damage, they were still used, most notably Stone I for the heavy (and Repose, though that's a different reason so I won't touch on that). Like in 4.X from what I've seen so far, it was mostly when someone on their team died so you could Heavy the fleeing enemies while no pressure was happening. Now, you get the same effect, but it also deals decent damage on top of that. I don't see why it would be used any less.

[Koltik]

Another suggestion from Discord is to change it to be a healing debuff, like DRK has.

[Volene]

Reem had a great suggestion last night in the Tryhard Discord. Remove the MP drain effect entirely, it will be broken no matter what as long as MP is scarce and only one class has access to MP reduction. Instead, give Broil either a Blind effect, or an Infirmity/healing received down debuff. I think either would be perfect. By being a status effect, both of those would be subject to immunity and it would be a lot more in line with what WHM and AST have. Plus, it would be appropriate because those were already the tools Scholars used to have access to through Ruin II or Miasma. I would 100% get behind this, SE pls

[Commander_Justitia]

Thinking about diminishing returns when used on the same target frequently. Like normal debuffs do -> resist building after 3rd apply. Resist stays until the target is dead for this ability though. It would be like having antibodies after you used virus, before stormblood happened. But I expect them to roll a dice and add something weird.

[PappaSmurff]

LET US SCH HAVE OUR MOMENT OF GLORY KOLTIK! WE HAVE SUFFERED FOR 4 SEASONS OF BEING INFERIOR TO WHM/AST


Side note - Delete Broil :spicyoil:

[BloodRubyXII]

Or people could just learn to LoS the SCH if they aren't in the mood for being burned like everyone else had to do vs Disc Priests in WoW. I don't get it, people cried about how the changes would undermine the skill cap in PvP and here we are asking for something to be removed because we don't deal with it.

[Koltik]

Or people could just learn to LoS the SCH if they aren't in the mood for being burned like everyone else had to do vs Disc Priests in WoW. I don't get it, people cried about how the changes would undermine the skill cap in PvP and here we are asking for something to be removed because we don't deal with it.

"learn to LOS"

aka: let your DPS die behind a wall since you're busy hiding from the enemy scholar the entire match.

aka: when you are forced to spam heal out in the open while someone is being burst down and the enemy healer can get a few casts off on you regardless.

aka: when you are stunned every 10s and healer can get a cast off on you.

aka: when you have to play hide and seek with enemy healer while they have nothing to fear from you.

Shall I go on?