Lupin - make it a playable race!

[Alleo]

I am not trying to be rude by any means, but... how are these valid arguments? Are you resorting to trolling to win a losing battle or what...?

Trolling? Because I ask why pictures of bugs in other beastly races from other games are speaking against Lupins? (And its not like other races cant have such bugs too) We dont know if its disproportionate to add Lupin because unlike other completely beastial races (who have completely different body shapes, movements and more), the Lupins are still mostly humanoid looking. They wear normal shoes, their hands dont look much different and the only really beastial about them is their head. Also they already exist as models ingame and we can already see them fighting as different jobs too. So the thing that they have to do for the players is more customization and emotes.

Losing battle? This is not a battle..this is just a discussion about a race in the game which some of us want as a playable race. There is nothing to win or lose..And for me using photos about another race in another game which might have some bugs sometimes is not really an argument for or against the Lupins..Honestly I just brought the Worgen from WoW in this discussion because some could not imagine that beastly races can have hairstyles. And if its too much and they wont add them I will be a bit sad but mostly fine. But if there is a thread asking for this I will surely add my comment and views in this even if it will probably not come. And if they dont decide to add a beastly race I honestly want more customization for the existing races before we get another imo boring race.

So please how is that trolling? Are you trolling because you want racial hairstyles which would be much more work and cost more money than just two styles for all races? You dont, you simply have that wish and there is nothing wrong with that. And there should be nothing wrong with us wanting something like the Lupins. I also understand if people dont want it but like you can point out lore reasons we can point out that we dont see a problem with certain points.

(And yes Corues post was a bit funny since Lupins mostly have just a beastly head)

[Corue]

I am not trying to be rude by any means, but... how are these valid arguments? Are you resorting to trolling to win a losing battle or what...?

I am not trying to be rude by any means but how was that an argument? You couldn't think of any response other than "hurr durr r u trolling???" If you actually read my posts I don't even like Lupin in particular, I'm just saying that "beast races won't work because another race in another game by another company did the animations wrong" is a piss-poor argument if I've ever heard one. It's like SE should make every race have unique animations or something.

I just want this game to have a race that isn't a human with animal ears stapled to their head. Games like Everquest 2 and World of Warcraft have managed it and they're both 14 years old, whereas small indie developer Square Enix's doujin MMO got so out of hand they can barely afford to modify a Hyur base and call it a new race without apparently going into bankruptcy.

[MoroMurasaki]

I am not trying to be rude by any means but how was that an argument? You couldn't think of any response other than "hurr durr r u trolling???" If you actually read my posts I don't even like Lupin in particular, I'm just saying that "beast races won't work because another race in another game by another company did the animations wrong" is a piss-poor argument if I've ever heard one. It's like SE should make every race have unique animations or something.

I just want this game to have a race that isn't a human with animal ears stapled to their head. Games like Everquest 2 and World of Warcraft have managed it and they're both 14 years old, whereas small indie developer Square Enix's doujin MMO got so out of hand they can barely afford to modify a Hyur base and call it a new race without apparently going into bankruptcy.

A part of the issue you seem to be trivializing is built upon the much larger mistake of SE not divorcing this game from 1.0's code. It isn't a discussion to get into here and derail this thread but your logic of "they can have it, we should have it too!" isn't insulated against all of the other factors that separate FFXIV from those other games. I haven't played WoW but from what I've seen of it's graphics... eh, let's just say I see why it's easier for them to have more variety amongst their playable races.

That's the other issue here - what you're asking for won't be half-assed. They aren't going to "modify a hyur base" they're going to modify a hyur base, create a gender distinction (since at this point Lupin gender can't be determined without dialog), modify virtually every head item in the game and a fair amount of chest pieces to accomidate the thicker Lupin neck/shoulder area and do all the other work that would come with creating a new race.

Logistics aside I don't see the demand for this and I doubt SE does either. The JP playerbase doesn't seem to particularly care for it which is a nail in the coffin then and there but even on the english forums this is the longest thread about Lupin and it's largely filled with people saying they don't care if Lupin are included or are outright opposed to it. I think there is more support for Viera in this thread than Lupin. At some point the smart business decision will become clear to SE, it likely already was though.

This is a niche thing guys. You don't have to look much further than the state of tanks and healers to understand SE prioritizes the majority. We didn't see new classes in SB, we may not in 5.0 and that's because the time investment didn't appear worth it in relation to the players that would enjoy the content. I think those asking for more bestial races are in a similar boat.

[Nestama]

I can still dream. At the very least, I'll settle for a Beastman glamour prism that transforms you into a Beastman and not something like the Vanu/Zundu, Vath and Kojin glamour. I love the Vanu glamour, especially with how well the head goes with Aymeric's armour (which it didn't have my characters face visible inside), but the Vanu body has stitching in the back that just... it looks bad

[Rofel]

This topic took a weird course this weekend... lol!

Yup, people can at least voice their thoughts. Not even talking just about lupins, but about variety on races/customization.

[MOZZYSTAR]

Trolling? Because I ask why pictures of bugs in other beastly races from other games

No, for the specific quote I quoted. I'm not going to argue semantics, though. Debates/discussions are essentially a battle of words. However, I see you're earnest so I retract my question.

I am not trying to be rude by any means but how was that an argument? You couldn't think of any response other than "hurr durr r u trolling???"

It's not an argument, for the record, it was an earnest question. I'm not the one saying that WoW werewolf was just a dog's head on a human's body when... Lupins are definitely more of a "dog head on a human body." They are dog neck and up. If you can't see how questionable your own statement was, then... You need to take the moogle hat off, man, cuz it's affecting your vision.

Also: SE does make animations unique for every race (if you have yet to notice). (As for the WoW argument: I agree that wasn't a great point but that person was addressing someone else's comment saying WoW "does it better" [it makes sense in context, no sense out of context]. SO, he wasn't arguing that we shouldn't have it just because of WoW, he was arguing that WoW does not clearly "do it better" in that regard.)

And I agree, it would be nice if we got a little more unique with our races, and we can start that by addressing the feet issue (to break out of the standard human mould), cuz it may welcome more unique races in the future. You can have more beastly features without going full-beast like Lupins.

This is a niche thing guys. You don't have to look much further than the state of tanks and healers to understand SE prioritizes the majority. We didn't see new classes in SB, we may not in 5.0 and that's because the time investment didn't appear worth it in relation to the players that would enjoy the content. I think those asking for more bestial races are in a similar boat.

They just loooove their DPS, right? xD I largely agree with this ^ (and the rest of the passage).

[luicei375]

How about something that people never really talk about: Padjalis

I know lorewise they're supposed to be designated guardians of the forests and the like, but that's a humanoid race that people seemed to overlook.

They legit look like children even as adults, but then again, we already have lalafells who fit that purpose anyways. Even bringing up Miqo'tes sorta counts too.

[Nestama]

Because they're technically Hyurs. Padjals are only born from a specific Hyur bloodline.

[MOZZYSTAR]

How about something that people never really talk about: Padjalis

I'm pretty sure they were hyur children who were accepted/appointed by the elements or something, so they're not really a race of their own.

[Alleo]

How about something that people never really talk about: Padjalis

I know lorewise they're supposed to be designated guardians of the forests and the like, but that's a humanoid race that people seemed to overlook.

They legit look like children even as adults, but then again, we already have lalafells who fit that purpose anyways. Even bringing up Miqo'tes sorta counts too.

They are not another race, they are just chosen by the elementals and after that they grow horns and stop growing. So they would have to bend lore even more than any beast race or new race will ever do. (They are chosen ones that should protect the forest, so why should they travel around the world? There was just one that ever left the forest) Also we would need glamour that makes us look older like Kan-E-Senna otherwise we would look like children which would open another can of worms. (Lalas are small but they are not children, while Padjals are adults in children bodies)

And at least for me they would be even more boring than the Viera, because they are truly just Hyur with a set of horns.