Do AST really need this Buff?

[Johaandr]

No, they don't tbh
They don't need to have stronger heals than WHM.
They also don't need to have stronger shield than SCH.
Either way.. it makes no sense. They are suppose to be a hydbrid class between those two.
Only thing that makes AST different from both hlrs is their card system and stances.
A List of what they should consider to change:

-Diurnal Sect and Noct don't really need the extra 10% or 15% (whatever) extra healing potency. Remove it and have the "stance" for it's use. Diurnal only HoT. And Noctirnal only mitigation.

-mayby nerf the earthly star ground thing and also make it extend the timer for the cards. They could Remove celestial opposition.(it's use is kinda of useless but..Hey! they extend the timer).
Make the healing potency on par with whm Cure3.
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A whm can do fine with medica and cure. So can ast with helios and benefic. Same concept in terms of healing. Now into their "roles". Obvious WHM is the pure healer and expected to better be than ast and in terms of healing power. AST got the "supporter" role to support their party members with both healings and buffs.

As for sch they r our mitigation supporter along side with fairy.. but i barely know how sch works.(sorry co-hlrs!)


I know these ideas are stupid but please get my point(if it even makes sense). SE made the bit of mistake to buff ast in terms of healing and mitigation potency and overshadow the two other healers that may not be "wanted" for a farm party or something less hardcore


sorry for my grammar.. im from eu so sorry again

[Caduagm]

The reason about noct ast has 10% more healing potency is because Scholar has the FAIRY. Now, I'm not happy with that 300% shield but the healing buff is still necessary. They took off disable and Scholar still have Whispering Down, Fey Illumination, Fey Covenant, also they got a ability that heals 480 potency per tick. Now what I don't understand is why did they buff diurnal that tbh really didn't need.

[Yamimarik]

/snip

What? this is a troll thread right? Let's pretend you're being serious for just one second....

No to everything you just spieled out!

I'm so glad people think WHM is now the ONLY HEALER with RNG attached to it, gee I wonder why I never received my full Balance only deck for my AST /s

I'll agree to ONLY one point of your post and that I'm not too happy about the getting rid of the speed increase on Diurnal Sect in favor of more healing potency (I'll personally miss my speed sect ; ; )

There is no reason to nerf something before it even comes out AND with unsure potencies atm, because SO MUCH information is so mixed up and not even finalized at the moment we are just SO UNSURE of so much. This isn't all EA/Launch yet. We really DO NOT have 100% confirmation on ANYTHING! I mean just look at the English and Japanese Diurnal Sect leaks. Both w/ two different potencies and that still might not even be the final potency to make it in the final cut!

If anyone is being greedy it's you here.

People really need to listen to Yoshi and not take any of this as gospel truth just yet, since so much information is still very contradicting and not finalized at all!

I'm not saying WHM shouldn't be looked at again either and come to some better conclusion, but trying to bring any other class down just to make yourself feel better about what is happening is not the way to go about it at all!!

[Johaandr]

Hmm not worth it. Delusional shooo.

[Yamimarik]

/snip

Quoting this post from another "WHM" thread that speaks so much volume and truth!

I agree, you should never pay for something you don't believe in, agree with or enjoy.

That being said there is a distinct difference between voicing your concerns in a rational thought provoking manner, and the "if you don't do as I say I quit (inserts service ect)".
If you aren't willing to admit there is an overabundance of negativity... no, unconstructive negativity surrounding this very topic you're conveniently ignoring some of largest facets where players for this game come together to talk about stuff.

So when a person talks about "American" mentality vs "Japanese" mentality You need to understand that both societies are very different from one another and since that is the case, deal with problems almost invariably different as well.
No one's arguing about how basic economics works. That type of thing transcends language barriers. But if you want to sit there and say a petition where you simply sign your name is constructive in any way shape or form then you'd have to be living under a damn tectonic plate to see what's happening right now. EVERYONE within the community is aware of what's going on and a petition isn't going to do ANYTHING. Especially when the OP of said thread said "This isn't a discussion piece, just sign if you want Whm changed" (something very similar to this) Yeah, constructive thought at it's finest.

Not everyone is Crybabying it. No one's saying that, since generalizations are always wrong. But you can't say they don't exist, (and in higher quantities than usual right now) out of convenience for the sake of an argument.

Now you have another person where in the title is "I just cancelled my pre-order". Are we going to pretend this person wasn't seeking attention? Of course they were, they were directly seeking that Shock aspect. The quitting the game spiel is the ultimate "end-game" of sorts. If it wasn't so damn contrived already anyways. Just based off the title nothing good is going to come out of that discussion. I'd have deleted it too if it were up to me since it's such a bad title. Why would I even want feedback from a person who threatens me? Why would I entertain what little that person probably has to offer when there are hundreds of posts on very valid threads on these forums as well as many other well known gathering places like Reddit where people are actually trying to help.

End point: If you want things changed, Act like it. I haven't liked Whm since ever, I got it to 50 in 2.0 and quit. So I can't offer any type of constructive criticism in that regard. However remember this, Just because a class isn't meta doesn't mean it can't perform well, be fun to play and also be viable. People like to pretend only the Meta exists; Maybe it's to feel closer to their favorite players in a game, Maybe it's because they want the best strat to win, Maybe they don't wanna math it all out themselves and go with someone who seems more knowledgeable than them, and sometimes it's just a bunch of Sheep who can't think for themselves. Regardless of the reason, you're a fool to think any class isn't viable. Maybe not world first, but tell me exactly how many of you are actually trying to achieve world first? I'm willing to bet that 99% of you have never attempted or will attempt a world first clear. However in that regard whm wouldn't be the only class left out of the cool kids club now would it? There will always be a best and worst.

Try to understand that Devs have to attempt at making every class in their respective role the same but different. All tanks Need to be able to tank, deal and mitigate relatively the same amount of damage, but they need to be able to do it differently from one another. The same can be said for healers, They need to be able to heal, do some damage, and offer various utility that is different, yet balances out to be the same worth or of the same "Value". DPS are no exception. It's difficult to do and the more classes you have the harder it becomes in that you need to try and make every class... Again, the same, but different.... Otherwise the end result is something unplayable. I do sorta see where they were trying to go with the Whitemage changes, and you can't hate them for trying something out. I can't say with 100% confidence that it's a horrible system. But then again i don't have a horse in this race. I do have confidence in the community as a whole though, and the dev team. If something needs to change, I'm sure it will.

Edit: Spelling

Posting constructive criticism is one thing, but posting what you posted helps no one at all! It's nothing but one big salty hyperbolic thread.

[Verdan]

Asts have literally more powerful spells than their counterparts for less mana. That's not 1: tenable 2: fair 3: good

[Valmaxian]

The answer is no, AST did not need these buffs.

[Johaandr]

Quoting this post from another "WHM" thread that speaks so much volume and truth!



Posting constructive criticism is one thing, but posting what you posted helps no one at all! It's nothing but one big salty hyperbolic thread.

Thank you o; i think i learned a bit (too much to read i think i almost forgot some important sentence)o;
Also i think you should stop assume things.. it's not cool. And I'm not a troll o;
Not a mega serious person in the forum when it comes to my langauge type.

[Cyrocco]

The general consensus among all healers, including AST mains is that this is overbuffing.

[Yamimarik]

Thank you o; i think i learned a bit (too much to read i think i almost forgot some important sentence)o;
Also i think you should stop assume things.. it's not cool. And I'm not a troll o;
Not a mega serious person in the forum when it comes to my langauge type.

Maybe don't post things like "Remove Benefic" from AST, nice edit btw, because that was in your original post.

That doesn't help you look like a person trying to give out constructive criticism and being a troll then.

You're also the one who says:

I know these ideas are stupid but please get my point(if it even makes sense).

if you want to be taken seriously then, add something constructive to the discussions going on at the moment for this, not ending with your statement with the above.

So don't you assume I'm just saying what ever I please and it being baseless, because your post doesn't really help you out much.

On the actual topic at hand...

Are some of the things getting changed (just from what we can guess, by what unstable info. we have now) odd? Yes.

Again I don't see a point in giving Diurnal Sect a healing potency bonus at all and removing the speed bonus from it. Nocturnal probably would have been fine staying at 10% as well. But I suppose we'll see the for sure numbers come early access.