Cross Class Skills for PLD?

[aqskerorokero]

Since I m still leveling, I would keep provoke, rampart, awareness, reprisal, convalescence. Other role skills are I don't know, I will change reprisal with ultimatum, I think there will be a fight where ape swap be needed

[SuperGandhi]

I've very rarely needed taunt mechanics. A real tank keeps threat, and knows how to get snap aggro. When mechanics specifically call for a taunt swap - I might use it. But only if it actually also holds threat for some length of time while you gain it off the other tank, or resets the other tank's threat for an amount of time.

In so many ways no.
How do you plan on getting hate from me for a tank swap mechanic when you'll be no where near my threat level? Do you plan on dragging down the overall damage by staying one step behind me in your tank stance and enmity combo?
Provoke may put you 1 point above the leader, but when the leader has 75% more aggro bar than you, it means a lot more than 1 point.

I'd hate to be in your group if that's the case, that you wont sacrifice a cross class ability for the key component for every tank to have because you're role playing yourself as some tank god?
Case in point, have your provoke button, god dammit!

[Bughuntlv426]

Lol all these tanks saying provoke is useless... and people think jump potions make bad players.


how is PLD gonna tank swap with WAR when PLDs dps rotation makes no hate and WARs makes a ton?

how are you gonna get hate when you die? tank dies = wipe then?

[Kuwagami]

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The question was about what content you tanked in FFXIV though. Because considering your joining date on the forums, you have witnessed a batload of fights needing those tank swaps, and needing provoke.

T1, T2, T5 needed provoke (though T5 has been solo tanked soon enough, but the initial concept was a tank swap). Garuda Ex, Titan Ex, Ifrit Ex, Ramuh Ex needed a tank swap. Shiva Ex had tank swaps encouraged but not actually needed per say.

T6 had tank swaps. T10, T11, T12 had tank swaps.

A1 and A3 needed provoke. A5,A7 and A8 encouraged it a lot. can't comment on the savage versions since I didn't enter them but I'd think the swaps were forced there.

Thordan required provoke too.

You can argue all you want, if you manage a tank swap without using provoke, either you or your tank mate is doing an horrible job. And it's not like a provoke is hard to do either. Provoke into halone, even off-combo, is usually enough to keep hate easily

[Bughuntlv426]

can't comment on the savage versions since I didn't enter them but I'd think the swaps were forced there.

A10s makes you provoke every 90 seconds or so lol, you can tank ult the hits but its desgined for OT to voke off MT and MT runs away. if boss mob follows MT bye bye MT. damage is based on proximity to boss

[Melian]

I see a lot more fans of awareness than I expected. Which might be my fault, since I've never actually checked.... anyone know (roughly) what the crit hit% on you of basic enemies in standard instances are?

[Brannigan]

Provoke Rampart Conva Reprisal Shirk
In single tank areas shirk->whatever. In a raid fight where I need an off GCD stun or a silence I'll probably drop convalescence, since there's almost always something to Reprisal and I don't really think it's worth giving up Shirk if raids are anything like 2.x or 3.x.

[Xenosan]

Any time you are at risk of dying and can be revived you need provoke to grab back the boss/trash, so voke or the AOE voke, one or the other depending on the instance, at all times is pretty smart, not like forgoing it for an extra slot is making you OP. And if the team ask why you didn't provoke when such a recovery was possible, and you say "don't have voke slotted," you're going to get your weekly supplement of sodium.

Rest of it changes with the encounter, dungeon, primal, raid etc. Awareness I substitute out with Shirk/CC depending on the instance. But for the dungeons I've been doing:

Voke, Rampart, Convalescence, Reprisal, Awareness.

Would be nice for them to merge Anticipation and Awareness CD.

[Azreal]

I've been an MMO tank since 2005. I've very rarely needed taunt mechanics. A real tank keeps threat, and knows how to get snap aggro. When mechanics specifically call for a taunt swap - I might use it. But only if it actually also holds threat for some length of time while you gain it off the other tank, or resets the other tank's threat for an amount of time.

Otherwise it's a gimmick skill.

It is much more useful to have good skills for damage mitigation.

All provoke does it put you 1 point of threat above whoever was at top. There are a dozen other ways to get there - that are also likely to keep you there.

Your funny.

[Psion]

I am permanantly traumatized by garuda extreme because of the time i tried to get my first clear. in the course of a week my parties all wiped because one of the tanks didn't have provoke to swap hate for spiny plumes mechanic, which always ended in a wipe. (too many stacks = dead tank, no matter how good you are.)

don't be one of those failtanks. you don't even have to level another job for provoke now! for those times you are killed midbattle, or need to swap with your cotank, or your whm spams medica II or something at the start of a fight, provoke is a lifesaver.