Cross Class Skills for PLD?

[Melian]

So since I apparently can't get anywhere in SB, and I'm pretty tired of fates after number 1456, I thought I'd come here and ask what cross-class skills people thought would be good for:

1) General 4 person stuff that's easy and features large pulls and...
2) Actual / savage content that's not easy.

I like a whole bunch of the skills now as opposed to before, where I didn't have to think about what to put in at all.

I haven't put much thought into this, but for now I'm thinking that Rampart, Provoke, and Convalescence are no brainers. Reprisal probably is too. That last slot though, I'm not sure. I'm just using the parry up one for now, whatever that was called.

Anyone have better ideas? Is the AoE provoke just an entirely situational thing not worth slotting in unless you know you'll need it beforehand?


Edit: Also, has anyone figured out anything about the value of Tenacity, or is it far too early for the results to be in on that yet?

[dragonseth07]

Awareness is still a great combo for Bulwark, so that's great for dungeons.

Shirk has two uses I can think of: 1, making tank swaps easier. OT Vokes, MT Shirk. 2, adding aggro to MT in trials with no swap. OT can Shirk a bunch of hate over periodically so the MT needs less aggro combo. Now it doesn't seem worth it to use a slot in either case, but the meta hasn't developed yet, so I could be wrong there.

[Cabalabob]

Rampart and convalescence are 100% always because they synergise so well with our job. Awareness is great with bulwark or even just to get more blocks. Personally haven't taken reprisal, it's nice but PLD already has a fair amount of party wide mitigation, leave that to the DRKs and WARs.

Ultimatum seems kind of useless, the only time I see using that is if we wipe in a dungeon and a dps/healer brings the rest of the pack back to the start. Shirk is nice for tank swaps and just generally helping MT keep the lead. Anticipation isn't great for PLD because parry checks after block so it's less effective for us than the other tanks. Interject is situational and since we have shield bash we don't need low blow.

So my setup is provoke, rampart, convalescence, awareness and 1 situational spot where I'll put the other moves based on need, when I need nothing, I put reprisal.

[Makeda]

I'm skipping Provoke. I think it's better to learn to manage my threat than rely on a gimmick that only puts me 1 point above someone else and then hope nobody attacks that thing until I can... manage my threat anyway...

Low Blow - an off GCD interrupt is vital.
Rampart - damage mitigation
Convalescence - alternative path to mitigation
Reprisal - alternative path to mitigation
Ultimatum - temporarily on the bar to 'play around with it' in the open world since all I'm doing in this game is spamming Raubahn anyway...

I am debating putting in Awareness or Anticipation once I had gotten the 'fun' out of spamming Ultimatum in fates.

In any tank swap content, I would like use Shirk... for when I'm wanting to not be the active tank... to force threat onto the other tank.

[Mnemosynia]

I'm skipping Provoke. I think it's better to learn to manage my threat than rely on a gimmick that only puts me 1 point above someone else and then hope nobody attacks that thing until I can... manage my threat anyway...

Low Blow - an off GCD interrupt is vital.
Rampart - damage mitigation
Convalescence - alternative path to mitigation
Reprisal - alternative path to mitigation
Ultimatum - temporarily on the bar to 'play around with it' in the open world since all I'm doing in this game is spamming Raubahn anyway...

I am debating putting in Awareness or Anticipation once I had gotten the 'fun' out of spamming Ultimatum in fates.

In any tank swap content, I would like use Shirk... for when I'm wanting to not be the active tank... to force threat onto the other tank.

I don't think you have tanked any decently hard content in your entire life my friend if your saying that.

[Falar]

A glitch let me keep raise equipped.

[VanilleFang]

I'm skipping Provoke.

u wot?

Provoke is useful for many different reasons, most if which gave nothing to do with you properly holding hate.

[AlexSag]

I'm taking Rampart, Provoke, Convalescence and Awareness for pretty much everything. I thought I'd be a bigger fan of Reprisal, but I haven't really touched it since putting on my bar. That being said, I've just been doing fates and haven't done anything challenging yet.

[Makeda]

I don't think you have tanked any decently hard content in your entire life my friend if your saying that.

I've been an MMO tank since 2005. I've very rarely needed taunt mechanics. A real tank keeps threat, and knows how to get snap aggro. When mechanics specifically call for a taunt swap - I might use it. But only if it actually also holds threat for some length of time while you gain it off the other tank, or resets the other tank's threat for an amount of time.

Otherwise it's a gimmick skill.

It is much more useful to have good skills for damage mitigation.

All provoke does it put you 1 point of threat above whoever was at top. There are a dozen other ways to get there - that are also likely to keep you there.

[Fernosaur]

A good Duty Finder set is, imo:

Provoke - obvious use.
Rampart - obvious use.
Anticipation - the short CD makes it really good for dungeons, specially when paired with Awareness.
Awareness - see above, though it can also be paired with Bulwark so it has a double use.
Convalescence/Reprisal - I personally have Reprisal, but Conval is a good tool for dungeons too, specially if you have a SCH as your healer. With a WHM and AST you have to use Conval before the pull starts so that their regens will get the full effect, but SCH can make use if it no matter the timing.

For harder content, it will heavily vary from fight to fight, specially at lvl 60, once PLD and DRK get their OT shields, which might make it so Rampart isn't absolutely needed.