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    The whole argument is moot because whether or not that shield is the best in the game is subjective. It is not universally accepted.

    Also, I seriously doubt OP's claims of being some amazing tank if he cannot grasp this.

    You say what is the point of having higher damage mitigation on blocks if you don't block often at all?

    I say what the hell is the point in blocking very often if your blocks barely make any difference at all?

    GLA gets 2 skills that directly enhance Block Rate. They get none that enhance Block damage mitigation.

    That Serpant shield is not the best in the game. This is my opinion. You are free to your opinion that it is the shield you want most. In that case, tough luck buddy. It isn't, however, a question of balance because that shield is not universally the best option for that slot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra View Post
    The whole argument is moot because whether or not that shield is the best in the game is subjective. It is not universally accepted.

    Also, I seriously doubt OP's claims of being some amazing tank if he cannot grasp this.

    You say what is the point of having higher damage mitigation on blocks if you don't block often at all?

    I say what the hell is the point in blocking very often if your blocks barely make any difference at all?

    GLA gets 2 skills that directly enhance Block Rate. They get none that enhance Block damage mitigation.

    That Serpant shield is not the best in the game. This is my opinion. You are free to your opinion that it is the shield you want most. In that case, tough luck buddy. It isn't, however, a question of balance because that shield is not universally the best option for that slot.
    sigh its funny...so far no one has had enough brains to figure out how amazing this shield is.
    thats ok. it is by far the best shield in the game. and I can't wait to tell you I told you so when my friends get it and we parse it.

    troll is troll. lets get back ontopic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LicontAshontear View Post
    sigh its funny...so far no one has had enough brains to figure out how amazing this shield is.
    thats ok. it is by far the best shield in the game. and I can't wait to tell you I told you so when my friends get it and we parse it.

    troll is troll. lets get back ontopic.
    If you won't care to explain it clearly, don't mention it at all.
    How is that shield so good to complain about it? Also, I seriously doubt anyone here will be inclined to listen to you if you keep a condescending tone.
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    LOL cash shop! SE's way to tell their player how they appreciate them... pull the carrot and empty your pockets $$$
    And to those who support it: you are kicking yourselves. -- We just need to sit back and laugh at people with cash shop items.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nakiamiie View Post
    If you won't care to explain it clearly, don't mention it at all.
    How is that shield so good to complain about it? Also, I seriously doubt anyone here will be inclined to listen to you if you keep a condescending tone.
    check a few pages back. I already explained my point. compared this shield to the current best shield in game. I made my point many posts ago and no one cares they just want to flame. we had a good series of constructive posts going for awhile but then the trolls came back. guess they just had not woken up yet.

    anyway this thread does indeed need to be locked im tired of arguing with people that dont care or dont know enough to make a good discussion.

    that shield is the best in the game. done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LicontAshontear View Post
    check a few pages back. I already explained my point. compared this shield to the current best shield in game. I made my point many posts ago and no one cares they just want to flame. we had a good series of constructive posts going for awhile but then the trolls came back. guess they just had not woken up yet.

    anyway this thread does indeed need to be locked im tired of arguing with people that dont care or dont know enough to make a good discussion.

    that shield is the best in the game. done.
    I read it, it sure is an interesting shield. However, that doesn't make it the best in the game, it applies mostly to your situation, which makes it the best for you. Or, you failed at explaining how it truly is the best shield in any situation.
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    LOL cash shop! SE's way to tell their player how they appreciate them... pull the carrot and empty your pockets $$$
    And to those who support it: you are kicking yourselves. -- We just need to sit back and laugh at people with cash shop items.
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    Currently blocking is broken, having all my sent gear with +block rate and the best shield in the game with a +20def materia melded to it still does not make it as good as that shield.

    People are still failing to see the obvious reason that it is the best shield. All your damage mitigation is POINTLESS if you CANNOT block in the first place. high block rate is always better than high mitigation. Even if I dont block for much, atleast I blocked for something instead of not blocking hardly at all.

    And all you noobs saying "uhh derp i'd rather block for alot than block alot for low cause you cant get higher mitigation uhh derp"...try increasing your vit or defense...noobs. there is materia for that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LicontAshontear View Post
    Currently blocking is broken, having all my sent gear with +block rate and the best shield in the game with a +20def materia melded to it still does not make it as good as that shield.
    Let me get this straight, that shield is only good because blocking is "broken", right?

    What about the total damage taken vs blocked at the end of a fight? Won't it be the same? Just like DPS can be equal with high damage/slow swing weapons vs low damage/rapid swing weapons. It would be the same with shields? Explain how it's not possible with shields because it is "broken". Just take a look at my classes and you'll notice I do am a newb at gladiator, teach me. If you truly are right, you'll be seen as the master gladiator from your peers and no one will oppose.
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    LOL cash shop! SE's way to tell their player how they appreciate them... pull the carrot and empty your pockets $$$
    And to those who support it: you are kicking yourselves. -- We just need to sit back and laugh at people with cash shop items.
    (Marvelous economics IQ test!)

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    Another person upset, cuz they re adding better stuff than current one. This is a game, game.

    There is block next to block rate :P which isnt the highest one there. /cheers.
    But if this lead yo' to rage quit ! Thing ;-D
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    Calling other ppl noobs, its a nice way to show how kind you are. I hate other ppl calling others noobs, cuz they think they re better than the rest of the community. Noob here, noob there :-D What is this. Hh.
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    You're an idiot. If I'm a troll for discussing stats, and you aren't for making ad hominem posts and calling everyone who doesn't agree with you a noob - then I really may have to give up on you.

    If you cannot understand that neither Block Rate nor Block are a universally better stat, and that they work in tandem, then I don't care how high up your ego is in your mind, you wouldn't be tanking in any party I'm in.

    High Block Rate, low Block damage mitigation: 10 hits, block 5 of them, negating 20 damage each.
    Low Block Rate, high Block damage mitigation: 10 hits, block 2 of them, negating 50 damage each.


    If you cannot grasp that those are the same, then all hope is lost.

    Again, add to this that there are 2 GLA skills that enhance how often you will Block in a fight, whereas none that enhance how much you will Block for, and it's plain as day that a GLA Tank should be sporting a large shield with high mitigation.

    Third time I've pointed this out, and to each of them you've simply replied with an insult and a blatant disregard for the point made, simply regurgitating your "All your damage mitigation is POINTLESS if you CANNOT block in the first place." drivel.

    Aegis Boon forces a guaranteed Block. It also gives HP back based on how much you block for.
    Outmaneuver increases Block Rate for a set duration, and gives bonuses to TP and MP based on how much you block for.


    If you cannot even form a cohesive response addressing those points that clearly point towards higher Block value being more desirable on a tanking GLA's shield, then don't even bother posting like a broken record. It's just sad really.

    Do yourself a favor, get off that high horse of yours and learn a thing or two. Repeatedly calling oneself a pro and calling others noobs does not make one professional.
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