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    Player
    Erudito's Avatar
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    Alex Greaver
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    Brynhildr
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    Machinist Lv 70

    Summoner DPS at 60 and below simply too weak?

    I play summoner, I like summoner but now I think its weak. Why? Because a great deal of its DPS has been cut in an abrupt manner. I imagine that at level 70 something gives in but there is a world of content before level 70.

    We lose one DoT ability.
    Shadow Flare hits for about the same potency for less time but if the enemy moves then you lose heavily as the next shadow flare wont be up for a while.
    Ruin 3 is now a joke in damage.
    Ruin 4 will be an ever sicker joke with it only being 20% on a pets action.

    Most of my worries are consolidated into this: Would a summoner level synched to 60 be able to clear any type of at savage level 60 content with that flimsy DPS as compared with how much it was doing before?
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    Silverquick Fox
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    Gilgamesh
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    Summoner Lv 90
    I agree, and I don't think you're wrong, maybe a couple parts I might disagree with.... but overall yes I do agree.

    And I doubt it will even change much at level 70 either.

    I don't expect this class to last much longer.
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    Player Neela's Avatar
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    Character
    Flower Girl
    World
    Zodiark
    Main Class
    Dancer Lv 90
    Is savage still capped/synced? Or unlocked for unsync like Coils?
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    Edwin Li
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    Balmung
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    Machinist Lv 100
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    ShaolinMike's Avatar
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    Michael Stormcloud
    World
    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinLi View Post
    it is the way the gameplay for SAM works that is causing it.

    SAM main function focus on always cycling all 3 combos for all 3 Sen and always keeping up 1 Sen for their DoT at the start.

    After building up 3 Sen the big chunck of SAM's missing damage to rival the other Jobs goes into 3 Sen skill Midare

    Once you hit level 70 then it becomes a bit more balance in gameplay in their DPS due to weaving Kenki skills between your combos.

    However, managing Kenki energy becomes important as building it up takes time and you don't want to spend it all at once or else you may miss moments where it is more ideal to cause burst damage by using Kenki skills.
    But TC is asking about SMN though...
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    XenabelleS's Avatar
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    Xenabelle Shadowsong
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    Sargatanas
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    Arcanist Lv 80
    Well my subjective experience of doing beast tribes at 50...

    It seems things were dying quicker. Like having just the 2 dots and then fester shaves 2+ seconds off. The dots being longer also make them easier to manage.

    So overall, at least ARR content is probably still fine.
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    Edwin Li
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShaolinMike View Post
    But TC is asking about SMN though...
    Sorry I still half asleep right now.
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    ShaolinMike's Avatar
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    Michael Stormcloud
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    Gilgamesh
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinLi View Post
    Sorry I still half asleep right now.
    LOL all good.
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    Anyan's Avatar
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    Character
    Zundar Sunstriker
    World
    Phoenix
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 91
    I just hate how the class feels now. It breaks my heart but for now I'm putting my grimoire down. Leveling rdm. At least all my caster gear won't go to waste. Smn was my favorite job.
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    Endeleon's Avatar
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    Character
    Amethyst Loire
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    Faerie
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 55
    Quote Originally Posted by Erudito View Post
    Ruin 4 will be an ever sicker joke with it only being 20% on a pets action.
    Not true. It actually comes up a LOT! I got to 62 earlier and I was surprised how often RuinIV comes up and it does a good 5k crit.
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