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    Player Vhailor's Avatar
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    Deionarra Eidolon
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    Hyperion
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    I'm a White Mage, and I used all five of my Role abilities getting back five of the seven abilities I lost.

    ...Now why is it my reaction to a new expansion resembles an AA meeting?
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    Verra Raen
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    Hyperion
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    Conjurer Lv 66
    They definitely didn't really think this through. You're absolutely right in that a lot of the healer/tank role actions are essential, but the way it's structured now you are granted the illusion of choice.
    As someone else mentioned, you can give the tank/healer roles additional role action slots, so that you're not restricted due to 4/5 spots being necessities to begin with.
    Not sure giving each job uniquely named, but similar skills, would be the right course of action. Seems like a step backwards in what SE is trying to accomplish.

    Either way, something needs to be adjusted imo.
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    Kaylan Greyashe
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    Leviathan
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    Gunbreaker Lv 80
    As a PLD (built in stun), the only ones I feel like I HAVE to have are provoke and rampart, everything else can be used based on preference or the specific fight. It doesn't seem that bad to me.
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    Player Vhailor's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Resolute View Post
    As a PLD (built in stun), the only ones I feel like I HAVE to have are provoke and rampart, everything else can be used based on preference or the specific fight. It doesn't seem that bad to me.
    I'll put it this way - a better approach would have been to simply make all the Role skills from other Jobs available to your main, whether or not you'd leveled anything else. That is, WHM automatically getting access to cross-class skills from BLM and ACN, and so on and so forth.

    I don't necessarily mind that SE took a more ambitious approach, but they mixed it in with their skill-reduction mission in a very lazy and at-times harmful way. As a WHM, which admittedly is picking on a particularly problematic case, I have to spend 3/5 of my slots simply to get back crucial abilities I used to get natively - Protect, Esuna, and Lucid Dream. I also need to spend a fourth for Swiftcast. That leaves me with one remaining choice amongst a collection of mostly-uninspired skills; a greatly weakened Cleric's Stance, a near-totally-useless Break, Eye for an Eye (which has always been too random to be relied upon), Surecast (meh), Rescue (fun for trolling), and Largesse (again, an ability I used to have natively as Divine Seal).

    So basically I have 4/5 bound at all times, and swap Cleric's and Largesse around depending on whether or not I'm in a dungeon. And, to boot, at Level 60, I am still less effective than I was in 3.x.

    It also says worlds that even optimistic voices such as yours are describing the system as being 'not that bad'. These combat changes should have generated excitement; reactions should have ranged from stoked to neutral, not neutral to angry. SE f*cked it up, badly.
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    Anarista Tarnyang
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    Behemoth
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    Ninja Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by PondHollow View Post
    Duplicate required role skills would not be necessary - just raise the amount of role skill options to account for the fact that some are indeed required.
    Agree 1000%!! Up the slots to at least 8. It feels dumb that I gotta constantly switch the skills I want to use.
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    Player ErikMynhier's Avatar
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    Erik Mynhier
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    Balmung
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990 View Post
    Agree 1000%!! Up the slots to at least 8. It feels dumb that I gotta constantly switch the skills I want to use.
    I felt it should be like the old system in 2.x. One slot every 10 levels. At cap thats 7 slots which is reasonably I think.
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    YitharV2's Avatar
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    Arnar Grande
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    Ultros
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    White Mage Lv 70
    I'd be happy if they added Flash and Bloodbath to cross role actions. I did Antitower today for a FC mate and I'd say Flash was really useful in that dungeon due to adds spawning while you're tanking trash already. It's possible to save Steel Cyclone/Decimate for it, but if I have the gauge, normally I'm going to use it. And Rampart is highly inferior to Bloodbath for trash, especially for large pulls (Decimate is really good paired with Bloodbath and Berserk).
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    Kira Matsumoto
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    Goblin
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    Archer Lv 70
    Get over you're selfs, they work just the same!
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    Makeda Fyah
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    Ultros
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    Reaper Lv 90
    I dunno about healer. I've only been on my tank so far.
    But most of them are not necessary.

    If you ever need provoke or the AoE provoke it's because you don't know how to tank. Shirk is likely the same.
    Needed: low blow. And maybe 2-3 damage mitigation abilities. That leaves 1-2 options beyond that that are filled by... well... there's nothing vital left.
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