Machinist feels like it got destroyed

[Oxmodial]

Maybe not from a damage point of view, because we wont know that until 70, but we just lost a bunch of our oGCD skills that we were using to pop off with wildfire.

Raging Strikes
Blood for Blood
Hawks eye
Quelling strikes
Blank (does no damage now)
oGCD stun/silence that shared a cooldown now do no damage as a class role
Lead shot also got deleted, which was a dot that took some planning to figure out when it was optimal to cast

I liked playing machinist because it was a good combination of mechanical play and having to think about your next step. The heat gauge will be interesting but man I feel like from a button pressing perspective I'm going to be falling asleep. Especially because we don't have GB cast time anymore so it's going to feel like there's even MORE dead time between abilities.

[Viz79]

Well the truth was it did need a revamp - it was the most unpopular class by far, and for a reason. I appreciate you may have liked it as it was, but personally now there are big changes I actually feel like trying it. Which is the whole point really

[Rhysati]

For me, and I'm toying with swapping to mch, is what they did to my beloved bard.... I am no fan of the ffxi bard, boring to even watch and was looking forward to no more cast bar on bard, but when I logged in this morning, all I could do was stare at the more utility based it is and I hate the proposed playstyle of song weaving and let the tears flow and started planning a funeral for a job I've been since ARR came out. I don't like being forced into a more support with some dps role. That's not me.
They even took away my Flaming Arrow......and removed the dmg Repelling Shot could do when used. SE can keep their bloody harp. I'm a dps.

I don't even know where to begin here. You've been Bard since ARR came out but you didn't want to be a support with some dps? That's what Bards were from the very beginning! They had significantly lower DPS built in to make up for the massive support role they held. HW messed that up and anything that goes back in that direction is SUPER welcome. There are plenty of DPS options to take instead!

I mean, geez...Bards even used the healer Limit Break through all of ARR because they were a support class.

[Yoruichi4478]

When they buffed bard in HW they took a step in the right direction. Too many ppl were dumping on bard on my server. Mch was the preferred job because it was the new shiny in the ranged support and bard was looked upon as weak, but still expected to bring it. And the job felt more of a dps than support tbh, you sang when u had to. Even my caster is salty about the change to Foe Requiem. I was fine being a dps with some support, not the other way around as you put it.

I don't even know where to begin here. You've been Bard since ARR came out but you didn't want to be a support with some dps? That's what Bards were from the very beginning! They had significantly lower DPS built in to make up for the massive support role they held. HW messed that up and anything that goes back in that direction is SUPER welcome. There are plenty of DPS options to take instead!

I mean, geez...Bards even used the healer Limit Break through all of ARR because they were a support class.

[Rhysati]

When they buffed bard in HW they took a step in the right direction. Too many ppl were dumping on bard on my server. Mch was the preferred job because it was the new shiny in the ranged support and bard was looked upon as weak, but still expected to bring it. And the job felt more of a dps than support tbh, you sang when u had to. Even my caster is salty about the change to Foe Requiem. I was fine being a dps with some support, not the other way around as you put it.

I couldn't disagree more with you. They went the complete and utterly wrong way with the class. The problem was is that they balanced HW completely differently from how ARR was balanced and it made the support that Bards brought nearly useless. With their support being unnecessary, there was no reason to take one of them over any class that could do more DPS than them. Turning them into a DPS that can match everyone else is what killed that class for almost everyone that mained them prior to HW(Like myself). I, like many who loved Bard, ended up going MCH because while they also had the 'gun/bow mage' thing going, their class was at least designed for it from the ground up. Bard got shafted badly with a forced clunky mechanic that ruined everything beloved about the class. And that's why they are thankfully gone back in the other direction.

But again, that wasn't my point. You claimed to be lover of Bard from the launch of ARR and they were 100% a support class from the beginning. If that's now what you wanted then you signed up for the wrong class. We have more than enough DPS-centric classes as it is. Please play another one of them and let Bard be the support it was always supposed to be. We desperately need some differences in roles again.

[savageink]

But again, that wasn't my point. You claimed to be lover of Bard from the launch of ARR and they were 100% a support class from the beginning. If that's now what you wanted then you signed up for the wrong class. We have more than enough DPS-centric classes as it is. Please play another one of them and let Bard be the support it was always supposed to be. We desperately need some differences in roles again.

I'm a lover of archer classes. The fact that there is only the wet noodle damage spoony bard instead of a ranger class is annoying. Despite the casting time and lack of mobility 3.0 was more useful. You could do damage when you wanted or needed to and you could CHOOSE to whip out the support when needed. I do like not having to stand still again but 30 second songs with a cooldown? It makes you play songs you don't even need to keep that 5% damage buff up. Not well done.

[xbahax92]

Umm.. I admit the same Fate met Bard, a lot of buffs disappeared.. And in fact for the sake of casual players things got "easier". I would still wait til lv70 til you unlock all your gcd/ogcd skills and then complain again. I didnt touch MCH yet, will do once I got bard to 70 but yea.

[Yoruichi4478]

I plan to judge again at 70. I stayed with bard all this time as I was an archer first in 1.0, loved the class, just a dps class then, and since the job didn't branch into anything but bard I stayed with it, partly hoping they'd intro Ranger or a dps side of the class form and they could turn bard into "watching paint dry" with songs but they haven't, not yet.. I feel so naked with only a single buff and it's only a 10% buff. Poor mch, though, they lost Raging Strikes entirely, and Lead Shot.

Umm.. I admit the same Fate met Bard, a lot of buffs disappeared.. And in fact for the sake of casual players things got "easier". I would still wait til lv70 til you unlock all your gcd/ogcd skills and then complain again. I didnt touch MCH yet, will do once I got bard to 70 but yea.