So with SMN changes

[Verdan]

Good news is that nothing is actually gone from the game, just deactivated. Maybe they'll give it back to you! It certainly SEEMS like a dumb move to remove the thing that lets you heal your pet!

[AsahinaMyLove]

RIP sommuner (and other classes...)

Those.... "changes" are pretty much a step backwards..
Now all classes are the same and wearring just a skin named "Job/Class"

[Alleo]

Playing a bit more, make me feel like Titan cant even hold aggro that well anymore. I sent him against a monster, waited a short time and used my rotation afterwards. Even after using my 50% aggro-killer skill, Titan still was not able to get it back. Another time I did not lose it, but in the end it happens way more often than in HW. (IMO) So it kinda makes Titan feel a little useless, because if he loses aggro anyway, then I could simply use the other two for higher DPS thus faster kill.

And I really feel the loss of sustain..not even the new roll action helps because it has a long cooldown. I mean if you dont want us to fight fate bosses alone, thats fine but nearly losing Titan by fighting two monsters, with the same level as myself, at the same time is a bit harsh. We dont have true heals and we dont have much defense, so how should we survive stuff like palace of the death solo if we cant heal the one thing that will keep us alive by keeping the monsters from us?

I also do feel the loss of all those skills. It really feels like "1 sec dots and rest ruin spam, with a bit of trance inbetween". Thats not really that much fun anymore.

[Rita1989]

Soloing maps/A-Rank monsters/Tanking in DF when your tank D/C's, these are all things you could do with sustain. If you never did them, you missed out on a challenge and playing SMN as a pet class, because soloing with your pet tanking something tough (or many things!) was very exciting.

I would solo Peisteskin maps in 2.0 Lv50 SMN, and HW A-Ranks in 3.0 Lv60 SMN. It was very fun. But without sustain, you cannot do it anymore. Nor can you tank PotD if you get put in a Pt without a tank.

I think it's obvious they don't want you doing this hence the change, same with the changes to War.

[MrBushid0]

Yep titan is pretty much useless now.
I can adapt to the loss of the dot and making the summoner another generic caster but loosing the only spell we have to heal our pet is really turning me off.
I still have to lvl to 70 but im not sure im gonna keep the summoner as a main

[hiedra]

I'm struggling so much with my summoner now that SB is out. Not just sustain but the changes to the other skills as well.

[TaranTatsuuchi]

Taking away sustain completely negates Titan egi.


Something must be done, either being back sustain.

Or make Physik scale off int for summoners.

[curather]

they definitely have to do something but most likely won't. Think of the outrage if they had a public beta before SB release.

They should of followed other companies and tested the waters with all the ability changes before dropping this steaming pile of **** on us the same day as SB release.

This expansion will always be known as the de-expansion because of all the abilities that classes have lost completely or were nerfed to the ground.

[Alleo]

Good to know that I am not the only one that feels that Titan is going to become useless..v_v poor nugget.

I just dont even know in which way they want us summoners to go? They take away part of our DoTs so one could believe that they want us to be more of a pet job. (Would have no problem with that) But at the same time they hit us hart with the loss of sustain too so they are making the management of our pets worse too. So somehow they take away from both possible ways of playing the job.

Why take away a skill that is used for pets and leave us with a healing skill that is nearly useless? I dont really understand the decisions about the job..

[Limecat]

Removing Sustain was a completely bogus move and they need to put it back in, unless they want to give us some other ability that lets us transfer all our enmity to our pet and increase egi resistance to AoEs.