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  1. #41
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    Hazuki87's Avatar
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    Kira Matsumoto
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    Goblin
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    Archer Lv 70
    I don't see it, WHM still is more powerful O.o has no one stoped and looked at HOW it works yet, other then a hand full of us...? -_- Like they said try it 1st if you can't see it, you will soon.
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  2. #42
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    Paladinleeds's Avatar
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    Nomfur Farredzasyn
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    Omega
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by JunseiKei View Post
    You fail to mention how paladin can just as well do content as the other tank roles, creating just a bit of a false scenario, or at least a misleading one. It's not that paladin needed it, but content was certainly easier on other jobs. Yet, it was nowhere near impossible to do it on a job that would require better resource management or simply higher execution to do it.
    And here is the crux of their argument. The playerbase will generally slide towards the path of least resistance. If it's easier to do it with a different job, they will push people towards that job. Whereas the JP players likely accept the jobs people come with and work with them to get the clear, generally speaking NA players will ask for you to either change to that specific job (say DRK instead of PLD for Heavensward), or you won't get to go. Again, path of least resistance.
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    White Mage ~ Scholar ~ Paladin
    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    Boi if you got kicked for the same thing in over 20 duties I strongly suggest you think hard on whatever the hell it is you're doing

    As I'm sure you are well aware, it takes more than one person to be able to kick a player from a duty, so in all those instances there were at least two people agreeing they'd be better off without you tanking.

  3. #43
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    MomomiMomi's Avatar
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    Momomi Momi
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    Behemoth
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    Alchemist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Hazuki87 View Post
    I don't see it, WHM still is more powerful O.o has no one stoped and looked at HOW it works yet, other then a hand full of us...? -_- Like they said try it 1st if you can't see it, you will soon.
    Can you please explain how WHM is more powerful?
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  4. #44
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    Blueyes's Avatar
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    Blue Plenilune
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    Diabolos
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    Blue Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Rymm View Post
    I thought AoE damage was getting nerfed across the board for most classes/abilities?
    The nerfs to AoE potency was something that mainly impacted DPS jobs. In fact, both White Mage and Astrologian had their AoE damage buffed. White Mage can now use Assize every 60 seconds (previously 90) and Astrologian gained the ability to deal 200 potency of AoE damage every 60 seconds with Earthly Star. Scholar is the only healer that got their AoE damage reduced and by no small margin. Even without any direct change to Bane, Scholar still would have received a nerf due to Bio no longer existing as a separate DoT.

    For the most part I don't have an issue with the Scholar changes and believe there is some overreacting going on, but I do think the change to Bane was a horrible idea.
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  5. #45
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    Paladinleeds's Avatar
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    Nomfur Farredzasyn
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    Omega
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Blueyes View Post
    The nerfs to AoE potency was something that mainly impacted DPS jobs. In fact, both White Mage and Astrologian had their AoE damage buffed.
    So basically, Scholar got shafted due to its class link to Summoner? Great, just great lol.
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    White Mage ~ Scholar ~ Paladin
    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    Boi if you got kicked for the same thing in over 20 duties I strongly suggest you think hard on whatever the hell it is you're doing

    As I'm sure you are well aware, it takes more than one person to be able to kick a player from a duty, so in all those instances there were at least two people agreeing they'd be better off without you tanking.

  6. #46
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    KageTokage's Avatar
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    Alijana Tumet
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    Cactuar
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    Ninja Lv 100
    I'm not sure how in the world they'd think making the WHM's level 70 ability dependent on a 20% chance proc from an ability they're not even going to be spamming all the time was a good idea.

    You're probably not even going to get a chance to use it even once against normal dungeon bosses in most cases.
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  7. #47
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    Rasylia's Avatar
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    Rasylia S'ial
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    Cerberus
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    Paladin Lv 70
    Could this have something to do with the fact that Healer Dps now scales of Mind, ultimatively meaning that a Sch would have nearly the same dmg output as a Smn, despite beeing healer class?

    I dont know, but adding in the removal of Attributes... this looks to me like they had to somehow balance the potential damage a Sch can do when comparing him to the Smn.
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  8. #48
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    Zojha's Avatar
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    Lodestone Bait
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    Pandaemonium
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    Gladiator Lv 1
    Quote Originally Posted by Paladinleeds View Post
    If it's easier to do it with a different job, they will push people towards that job.
    And if it's easier to do with a job rather than a class, they will push people towards unlocking a job. Even if the content can be cleared with a class. And truth be told, the same goes for suboptimal rotations and stat setups (if we had any).

    It's a fairly consistent process of urging people to please be as beneficial to the group as possible and it extends to pretty much any statistical advantage. And if you cannot fight that at one level, you need to fight that as a whole and that means creating a culture where people are fine with carrying people.
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  9. #49
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    Sylvana Tenebri
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    Malboro
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    Marauder Lv 79
    Quote Originally Posted by Zojha View Post
    And if you cannot fight that at one level, you need to fight that as a whole and that means creating a culture where people are fine with carrying people.
    Not an easy thing to do, though apparently Japan has this kind of culture.
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  10. #50
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    Akio Shikimazu
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    Odin
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    Summoner Lv 100
    The sustain part was a very odd choice, especially with Summoner and titan-egi (rip)

    Maybe they want to encourage us dissipate the fairy before she actually dies (which is another sign that summoner and scholar should absolutely be seperated!).

    Who needs a pet on a pet class anyway...
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