any1 else ready to boost to level 60 and skip story?

[SDaemon]

I was talking about both and you are focusing on one. OK. You tell me how somebody can learn to work properly at their job so they can run dungeons while only having real in game experience running FATEs?

You mean learn mechanics. The same way everyone does. By doing the dungeon and learning mechanics, but that doesn't mean they don't know how to work their job properly. Or are you saying you don't know your job rotation, skills and workings because you haven't experienced mechanics?

[savageink]

You mean learn mechanics. The same way everyone does. By doing the dungeon and learning mechanics, but that doesn't mean they don't know how to work their job properly. Or are you saying you don't know your job rotation, skills and workings because you haven't experienced mechanics?

First, any monkey can be taught to push buttons in a certain order. Learning a rotation is nothing special. What I'm talking about is group experience. As you so kindly said, everybody learns this through group activities like dungeons. You aren't going to learn that in a FATE. Every job has skills that aren't used all the time that need to be used when in a group. You need to weave those in so your normal rotation doesn't get hosed. Or in some situations doesn't get overly hosed. Group dynamics change your rotation. PotD hardly qualifies because everybody can and usually does run it as DPS for the first 100 floors even if they've queued as a tank or healer.

Edit: One nice thing they did with the jump potions was they didn't clear the dungeons in the duty finder. Squeenix does see the value of running them. So, even if they get the story skip, they will still have to grind those instances to do roulettes.

[SDaemon]

First, any monkey can be taught to push buttons in a certain order. Learning a rotation is nothing special. What I'm talking about is group experience. As you so kindly said, everybody learns this through group activities like dungeons. You aren't going to learn that in a FATE. Every job has skills that aren't used all the time that need to be used when in a group. You need to weave those in so your normal rotation doesn't get hosed. Or in some situations doesn't get overly hosed. Group dynamics change your rotation. PotD hardly qualifies because everybody can and usually does run it as DPS for the first 100 floors even if they've queued as a tank or healer.

lol, you just keep dragging this discussion further and further from what it started as. Learning your job and learning mechanics are not the same. I don't need to play a dungeon and learn the mechanics of a fight to understand what provoke does, what my aggro abilities do, how to determine aggro, where I need to attack from for positions, what abilities timers and cooldowns do, how to judge who I should heal and how etc. Learning mechanics involves adapting your abilities, yes and that comes from experience, but by your logic no one truly knows their job unless they've experienced every fight mechanic, and learned it, in the game and not for long because new mechanics will eventually be added.

[Astral145]

First, any monkey can be taught to push buttons in a certain order. Learning a rotation is nothing special. What I'm talking about is group experience. As you so kindly said, everybody learns this through group activities like dungeons. You aren't going to learn that in a FATE. Every job has skills that aren't used all the time that need to be used when in a group. You need to weave those in so your normal rotation doesn't get hosed. Or in some situations doesn't get overly hosed. Group dynamics change your rotation. PotD hardly qualifies because everybody can and usually does run it as DPS for the first 100 floors even if they've queued as a tank or healer.

so what you are saying is that players wont receive that "group experience" by the time they reach level 70? I can understand your frustration if they made the jump potion from 1 to 70 this expansion but its not.

They will get the experience they need by the time they reach level 65. Half of the new players will jump on youtube, redit or this forum to learn more. Crappy players will continue to be crappy players with or w/out the jump potions.

[savageink]

so what you are saying is that players wont receive that "group experience" by the time they reach level 70? I can understand your frustration if they made the jump potion from 1 to 70 this expansion but its not.

They will get the experience they need by the time they reach level 65. Half of the new players will jump on youtube, redit or this forum to learn more. Crappy players will continue to be crappy players with or w/out the jump potions.

I'm going to assume the other guy doesn't speak english very well, since he keeps wanting to talk about mechanics. You seem to understand what I was saying. I honestly, wasn't particularly frustrated. I was simply saying that people who run FATEs to level don't get the same kind of experience as people who run the MSQ instances, and would therefore be worse at their jobs. And yes crappy players will always be crappy if they don't put any effort into it. I honestly don't care if people use jump potions or not. But as you said there will be that period from 60-65 where they don't know what the hell they are doing and running FATEs isn't going to help much.

[SDaemon]

I'm going to assume the other guy doesn't speak English very well

Yes, you take that route. I'm going to take the high road and leave this conversation. Have a good night.