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    Silverquick's Avatar
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    Silverquick Fox
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    Gilgamesh
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Rawrz View Post
    VerAero
    VerAero
    Swiftcast
    Fleche
    Veraero if no stone proc verthunder if proc
    Acceleration
    Contresixte
    Stone or fire proc if not jolt
    Verthunder
    Corps displacement lucid dreaming during free weave times
    Verfire
    Get both above 40, manafiction
    Corps, Enchanted riposte, int pot enchanted zer, embolden enchanted redouble, flare holy

    Is my rough guess. :] doesn't matter if you use thunder or aero to open.
    That's not what I've been doing,

    While it can work... generally here you're looking at in general is

    Jolt + VerAero/Verthunder depending on which one you need to fill your guage with.

    The casting time is really short for Jolt, so you dual cast potency 180 + 300 for a 480 potency per, thats the normal attack.

    Then if VerStone or VerFire pops, you use that in place of Jolt for 270 + 300 = 570 potency per single target attack.

    And usually you open with Fleche which is free instant cast and 420 potency and on a 25 second recast. Or use it in between your first Jolt combo either way...

    The Single Target damage this thing puts out is enormous. This thing is matching my BLM single target damage.

    For AoE its also pretty good at least as of 60th.

    Basically you're dual casting Scatter for 100 + 100 potency for 200 potency per cast. Then you throw in Contre Sixte on top of it for 300 potency AoE. Its much better AoE than previously believed. I didnt think this thing had any at all until I actually played it. And you can just sit and spam cast Dual Scatters the whole time.

    I think people totally underestimated the Dual Cast feature of this thing.

    I'm at level 60 and have only scratched the surface... but already I am dropping my jaw over the thing.

    And that's not even getting into the Corps-a-corps>Riposte> Zwerchhau> Redoublement>Displacement combo... which is the quick jump in, slash them up and jump back out manuever, because each one of these attacks is fast and builds off the last one you did.
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    Khona Rhiki
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    Lamia
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    Red Mage Lv 56
    Anyone else finding swiftcast to be a little awkward to use? Duelcast won't proc off of a swiftcasted spell, so I've been doing without. Should I try and work it back in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Volatile View Post
    Anyone else finding swiftcast to be a little awkward to use? Duelcast won't proc off of a swiftcasted spell, so I've been doing without. Should I try and work it back in?
    I don't use it much either to be honest with you, I tried it a couple times, but its just not needed really.

    The casting times on almost everything is really short. So everything goes off so quickly I don't even need it.

    I think VerCure is the only thing, other than VerAero and VerThunder.... but those are what you use in your dual cast anyway so the casting time on them isn't even seen.
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    Vyndrian Larethil
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    Conjurer Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Volatile View Post
    Anyone else finding swiftcast to be a little awkward to use? Duelcast won't proc off of a swiftcasted spell, so I've been doing without. Should I try and work it back in?
    Swiftcast will be useful for times when you're ready to go into melee combo, but your mana is even. Pop SC and get them uneven, then do combo. I'm not sure about a "rotational" use, though.

    Other than that, I've been using to burst down mobs solo.
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    Last edited by Anastacy; 06-19-2017 at 11:28 PM.

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    Lumin Sundrye
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    Hyperion
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    Thaumaturge Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Volatile View Post
    Anyone else finding swiftcast to be a little awkward to use? Duelcast won't proc off of a swiftcasted spell, so I've been doing without. Should I try and work it back in?
    Swiftcast is also p good for manafication. I always find myself breaking 40 with an instacast, so you can use Swift to bump up your second mana to 40 and save a GCD.
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    Alayna Lazriel
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    Red Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Maero View Post
    You switching to Red as your main?
    Just curious
    I was going to but will level at same time as my blm, huhu
    Thank you in advance though, you do help the community out
    Yep. I'll level both RDM and BLM asap, but the goal will be to take RDM into prog. Unless it's super awful, which it doesn't look that way.
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    Alayna Lazriel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Semmi View Post
    Just a note about races, with the removal of piety they have changed racial stats slightly. Theorycrafters have worked out a couple of the racial stat changes but not all of them. So those values should be subject to change.
    Yep, this will be updated as soon as I have starting race attribute numbers.
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    Alayna Lazriel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sephorai View Post
    Does anyone have any idea at what the opener will be?
    I have a rough estimate what it will be. It's tricky cause it's proc based. And will also depend on party openers as well for when the optimal time to use Embolden will be. My static will test this as soon as possible and I will place a full opener into the guide.
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    Sephorai Sertorius
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    Ultros
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    Dark Knight Lv 65
    Quote Originally Posted by Garotte14 View Post
    I have a rough estimate what it will be. It's tricky cause it's proc based. And will also depend on party openers as well for when the optimal time to use Embolden will be. My static will test this as soon as possible and I will place a full opener into the guide.
    Would you mind sharing that estimate so I can try it too c:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sephorai View Post
    Would you mind sharing that estimate so I can try it too c:
    Understand this is completely arbitrary atm and incredibly difficult to gauge mana building because of procs, but assuming Trick Attack will be around 11s, it will look something like this:

    Precast Acceleration
    Jolt II - 3 Black Mana/3 White Mana
    Verthunder - 14/3
    Verfire - 21/3
    Veraero - 21/14
    Impact - 25/18
    Veraero - 25/29
    Potion + Embolden
    Jolt II - 28/32
    Fleche
    Verthunder - 39/32
    Contre Sixte
    Impact - 43/36
    Veraero - 43/47
    Manafication
    Corps-a-corps > Riposte > Zwerchhau > Redoublement > Displacement > Verflare

    This is without any Ready procs except for the first which is guaranteed from "Acceleration." With Ready Procs, you'll be able to do Manafication and melee combo a few GCDs earlier.

    The most important aspects of the opener will be to cast your potion before Embolden, and then weave both Fleche and Contre Sixte in the first 4 seconds of Embolden so they are getting the full 10% buff + potion buff. And you'll want Embolden being cast around the same time as Trick Attack if you have a ninja. Without a Ninja, you could do it sooner. Again, this is all speculation and I won't know until my static can thoroughly test this.
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    Last edited by Garotte14; 06-16-2017 at 05:03 PM.

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