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  1. #1
    Player
    Maero's Avatar
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    I'shtola Maqa
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    Leviathan
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Susano weapons for blm and Red Mage have reversed stats, seriously.
    Why the hell give spell speed to Red Mage, and Crit or whatever stat the blm weapon has.
    Just like they had done to the caster gear in hw... sigh
    Only thing going on for them is the higher weapon damage

    @ Pyro, i am actually considering having 2 seperate sets of gear as crazy as it may sound but you are correct in that blm is about ss, Red Mage wants nothing to do with it, lol
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    Draco'li Tayuun
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    Faerie
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Pyroclastic View Post
    Are there any tips for maining both blm and red mage, gear&meld wise? I've always only mained BLM. But now I want to main both BLM and RDM.. However their melds are pretty much the opposite of eachother. BLM wants ALL the SS, while red mage wants nothing to do with SS... How do people deal with this problem when maining 2 jobs that share the same gear, but with different melds?
    I have a similar issue with SMN and RDM. In the past, been trying to find relative stat weights for SMN too, SMN was Crit > DET > SS. DET and SS would flip spots based on how many Ruin 3's you could fit in a DWT depending on latency, etc. Now that I also RDM and with the addition of DH, I have no clue any more and find it more difficult to meld materia now let alone work out stats on gear between the two.
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    Pairo Orunitia
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    Ragnarok
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    Thaumaturge Lv 90
    Another question:

    "3) Embolden should be happening after Enchanted Riposte."

    Why is it optimal to do Embolden after Enchanted Riposte? Doesn't Embolden only increase your magic dmg (and physical dmg of party)? So that would mean there's 2 GCD's wasted in the Embolden window, right? Or am I missing something?
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    Malthoran Madyson
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    Leviathan
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    Summoner Lv 71
    Quote Originally Posted by Pyroclastic View Post
    Another question:

    "3) Embolden should be happening after Enchanted Riposte."

    Why is it optimal to do Embolden after Enchanted Riposte? Doesn't Embolden only increase your magic dmg (and physical dmg of party)? So that would mean there's 2 GCD's wasted in the Embolden window, right? Or am I missing something?
    Enchanted melee attacks are unaspected magic damage.
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    Pairo Orunitia
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    Ragnarok
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    Thaumaturge Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by JMadFour View Post
    Enchanted melee attacks are unaspected magic damage.
    Aaaah, okay, thanks for this.
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    Karnage720's Avatar
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    Karnage Dragorian
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    Leviathan
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    Arcanist Lv 55
    Quote Originally Posted by JMadFour View Post
    Enchanted melee attacks are unaspected magic damage.
    So why not use embolden prior to Enchanted Riposte?
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    Pidooma Southway
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    Leviathan
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    Red Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Karnage720 View Post
    So why not use embolden prior to Enchanted Riposte?
    This is because of the way Embolden has stacks. If you embolden at Enchanted Riposte then by the time you get to your VerFinisher you will have already lost a stack thus reducing the damage of your hardest hitting spell.
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    Prism Daybreak
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    Brynhildr
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    Red Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Karnage720 View Post
    So why not use embolden prior to Enchanted Riposte?
    If I had to guess, to make sure Verflare/Verholy got the maximum benefit for Embolden as it's 550 potency instead of Ripostes 210, although if we do the math emboldening to hit the Riposte and the finisher equals out to 65 extra potency between the two attacks as opposed to 55 from the enhanced verflare/holy
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    Cyrillo Rongway
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    Hyperion
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    The maths are a little bit wonky because of the decay and how every other spell is instant. I'm having to go into the spreadsheet and manually promote or demote some of the bonuses based on the interplay between the decay and the Dualcast mechanic.

    It gets even wonkier when we get into spellspeed-modified recast times, and some of the decays move into the middle of hardcast spells instead of just after instant spells.


    Enchanted Riposte → Embolden will be between 5 and 11 potency higher than Embolden → Enchanted Riposte, depending on how late in the GCD you activate it.


    (the 0.5 or 0.1 times for Embolden represent activating it earlier or later in the GCD)
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    Last edited by Rongway; 07-12-2017 at 07:27 PM.
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    Prism Daybreak
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    Brynhildr
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    Red Mage Lv 80
    Just a small correction, the recast for redoublement is 2.2 seconds not 1.5
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