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[DRHaymaker]

They do if they haven't seen the mechanics for themselves.

I don't care if you refuse to concede the point, the point stands; not every MMO has learning parties, therefore not everyone needs them, therefore, not everyone needs help.

You later mention PUGs, which has no bearing here since you have created or joined a party that clearly outlines the expectations.

...those expectations you elude to are the very idea that elitist ideas already are in the game, which you are proving time and time again.

You just happen to dislike it. That isn't a elitism.

You seem to have a selective reading problem. Hold on, let me quote it for you...

I'm not advocating for anything - people can and will do whatever they want, as it is within their rights.

To make it easier for you to understand - do whatever you want. It doesn't affect me. That doesn't make your ideology any less elitist.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I don't care if you refuse to concede the point, the point stands; not every MMO has learning parties, therefore not everyone needs them, therefore, not everyone needs help.



...those expectations you elude to are the very idea that elitist ideas already are in the game, which you are proving time and time again.



You seem to have a selective reading problem. Hold on, let me quote it for you...

I have nothing to concede because your definition of elitism... is not elitism. Who cares what other MMOs have or do? All that matters is FFXIV and how it handles content. If you don't need a learning party and feel confident in your ability to down the fight, you join a clear group. That is the sole intent; getting a clear.

Those expectations are how the community divvies content based on skill level. While you will inevitably come across bad players in supposed farm groups, it lowers the odds since you have assurance everyone has seen the mechanics in the actual game.

And no. You merely seem to believe farm parties are made up of elitists because they don't want people who haven't cleared the fight yet in their party. No matter how many times you insist otherwise, that isn't elitism.

[DRHaymaker]

Who cares what other MMOs have or do? All that matters is FFXIV and how it handles content.

There's fundamentally nothing different from a clear and learning party - both are attempting the same thing.

Those expectations are how the community divvies content based on skill level.

Clear = ilvl when it comes to quantifying one's skill. Both are equally flimsy.

While you will inevitably come across bad players in supposed farm groups, it lowers the odds since you have assurance everyone has seen the mechanics in the actual game.

Yet still, multitudes fail many "stack here" mechanics.

AYou merely seem to believe farm parties are made up of elitists because they don't want people who haven't cleared the fight yet in their party.

All of them? No. Do they noticeably exist? Absolutely.

No matter how many times you insist otherwise, that isn't elitism.

No matter how many times you insist other wise, doesn't mean there isn't a degree of elitism.