Quote Originally Posted by akaneakki View Post
The word elitist is so over used. Most people who are bonuses doesn't make the effort. I've seen some who actually do but it's rare.
I agree, but that's a problem that honestly the community has fostered through it's intolerance of things like parses and the "necessity" of learning parties. As buzzwordy as "elitism" is, sometimes you need to use their own nebulous definition as the reason of why it's wrong.

I'm there to farm as well and I don't wanna take the risk of a person who might be bad or good, because if hes bad the group will mostlikely just disband.
The solution to that is to not do PUGs, or have the majority of the group be people that you know, because on top of skill, you're also running the risk that people will leave once they get what they wanted... or wipe once because of something that was an honest mistake or lag, etc. - i mean, they have no obligation to stick with your group really. Point being there is an intrinsic risk with PUGs period, and a substantial chunk of risk still remains if you remove bonuses.