An alternative to parsers...

[akaneakki]

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Was no first timers and everyone was over 260. How is it elitist saying they can't beat a normal mode and they need to get better? I thought the whole point in a pve based game to beat the content? Or are you just going to sit there and pretend its fine?
I'm not ''complaining'' about the normal mode, you are just proving my point here. You say you don't need a a parser and only what you can come with is ''elitist''. So beating content is being elitist? lol Yet you see a group here wiping at 66% with massive overgear. Try come with a better arguement than elitist.

Fir

The word elitist is so over used. Most people who are bonuses doesn't make the effort. I've seen some who actually do but it's rare. But again, I'm there to farm as well and I don't wanna take the risk of a person who might be bad or good, because if hes bad the group will mostlikely just disband. It's how it works, because people wont be put up with it. There is abosluttely NOTHING wrong having no bonus in group, you simply just need to deal with it. Like he/she said, I'm there to farm not to take the risk of a person being bad or not and then give them a clear.

[DRHaymaker]

The word elitist is so over used. Most people who are bonuses doesn't make the effort. I've seen some who actually do but it's rare.

I agree, but that's a problem that honestly the community has fostered through it's intolerance of things like parses and the "necessity" of learning parties. As buzzwordy as "elitism" is, sometimes you need to use their own nebulous definition as the reason of why it's wrong.

I'm there to farm as well and I don't wanna take the risk of a person who might be bad or good, because if hes bad the group will mostlikely just disband.

The solution to that is to not do PUGs, or have the majority of the group be people that you know, because on top of skill, you're also running the risk that people will leave once they get what they wanted... or wipe once because of something that was an honest mistake or lag, etc. - i mean, they have no obligation to stick with your group really. Point being there is an intrinsic risk with PUGs period, and a substantial chunk of risk still remains if you remove bonuses.