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    Outlaw selling dungeons/raids suggestion

    I am sorry to bring this up, but it may become an issue when the expansion launches and it is bad player attitude to do these things if so.

    Since there yet is time, would maybe suggest adding it to the user end license agreement or ToS or something.

    Why I suggest this, is that it both can encourage RMT activity from those that buy runs and those that earn on them.
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    we should add crafting as forbdden action as well, since it is bad player attitude too to sell items and it encourages RMT as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themarvin View Post
    I am sorry to bring this up, but it may become an issue when the expansion launches and it is bad player attitude to do these things if so.

    Since there yet is time, would maybe suggest adding it to the user end license agreement or ToS or something.

    Why I suggest this, is that it both can encourage RMT activity from those that buy runs and those that earn on them.
    OH gosh people will go crazy if they see this , in a competitive game I haven't a clue how so many players accept this but from these forums I def see that they do. I totally agree with you tho it should be an outlawed offense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
    OH gosh people will go crazy if they see this , in a competitive game I haven't a clue how so many players accept this but from these forums I def see that they do. I totally agree with you tho it should be an outlawed offense.
    Wut

    Why would anybody care about this? Seriously?

    Selling clears matters about as much as my choice of hair color in this game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dragonseth07 View Post
    Wut

    Why would anybody care about this? Seriously?

    Selling clears matters about as much as my choice of hair color in this game.
    From my perspective, as someone who learns each fight and busts my rear end, it gets annoying the idea someone that can pay $4 to an RMT spammer can then turn around and use that to buy a clear.

    Now, it isn't a massive deal, but it really doesn't look good either.
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    So... rare, overprized items should be outlawed too? Because 25 millions for a night-pegasus could encourage RMT aswell?

    I dont like this whole run-selling-buisness, but thats a personal opionion. Its not harming my experience of the game in anyways if someone is buying/selling runs - for the argument off "But it is harming your experience when someone who bought their clear joins your farm-group!" - thats not different as if someone got carried by their friends or FC.

    So even if I dislike it and I frown upon everyone who bought their clear I dont see a reason to make this "illegal" - it doesnt encourage RMT more than the prices of some valued items on the marketboard.
    So... let people just have it - and those who want to pay their (hard earned) gil for a clear might not deserve that kill in my eyes, but hey, its not bothering me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themarvin View Post
    I am sorry to bring this up, but it may become an issue when the expansion launches and it is bad player attitude to do these things if so.

    Since there yet is time, would maybe suggest adding it to the user end license agreement or ToS or something.

    Why I suggest this, is that it both can encourage RMT activity from those that buy runs and those that earn on them.
    As long as they're only selling runs for in-game currency, it cannot fall under the scope of RMT since there is no real money trading hands. Instead this can be viewed more as "mercenary work", which I wouldn't condemn. RMT are unlikely to try and generate funds from selling runs since they prefer the easy way out, though I can see an instance where people would buy gil to get a clear.... But let's be honest, the people who would do that are the people who were most likely to buy from RMTs anyway. Outlawing people who buy or sell runs won't do anything other than drive the trade underground, people will still do it and making it against ToS will only make it more rational for people to buy gil to do this since, "Hey, I'm already breaking ToS anyway, so what's stopping me from doing it the really easy way?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyperSMB View Post
    From my perspective, as someone who learns each fight and busts my rear end, it gets annoying the idea someone that can pay $4 to an RMT spammer can then turn around and use that to buy a clear.

    Now, it isn't a massive deal, but it really doesn't look good either.
    You have other issues that are even worse for the health of the game. You really shouldn't care what other people do in the game as long as they aren't hacking or exploiting glitches it has no bearing on you. Besides sell runs aren't really common in this game anyway and everyone will know if you brought a run anyway
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    'Let's outlaw carries because the buyer could have bought gil!'

    'Let's outlaw crafting because the buyer could have bought gil!'

    'No more mount drops because the buyer must have bought gil!'

    'You want a raise at <pos> for 5k? OUTLAW! I OUTLAW YOU! BOUGHT GIL'
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    Don't outlaw selling. Only punish the sellers if it's blatantly obvious that they are in the loop with regards to RMT. People have commented about the use of RMT for cross server sellers in the past. Lets be honest, very few people just happen to have a alt character with x amount of millions on the sellers server.

    What I would like to see is a harder crackdown on the buyers. SE needs to proactively hunt them down and hand out harsher penalties, including perma-banning them.

    Then sellers across the board (MB to clear sellers) will have to adjust their prices to what people can realistically afford.
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    Last edited by Natsuno; 06-15-2017 at 12:34 AM. Reason: minor corrections

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