Still a Bit Confused

[BlaiseLallaise]

I, like many of you, have been scouring the patch notes. I am intrigued by the changes to the classes, but one thing remains unclear.

It appears that they have removed our basic TP-building attacks. Am I to infer that the battle mechanics are shifting towards a system similar to FFXI, where all your TP gain is done through solely auto-attack? This is a troubling thought that weighs on my mind. The uneasiness is compounded by the following patch note:

[dev1206] The rate of TP accumulation from auto-attacks has been reduced to coincide with the implementation of individual combos.

Am I missing something here? If they removed our basic TP-building attacks, AND TP generation from auto-attack is being reduced, then how are we supposed to build TP?

[ToxicFox]

Combos use no tp so if you play it smart you won't need to build tp it seems.

Keep in mind they said reduced not taken away so you still build tp via normal attacks. They just needed to offset the combos with something negative for the players. If they give us more power in one area they need to take it away in another for balance or else we get too powerful.

[Masamune1004]

Combos use no tp so if you play it smart you won't need to build tp it seems.

Keep in mind they said reduced not taken away so you still build tp via normal attacks. They just needed to offset the combos with something negative for the players. If they give us more power in one area they need to take it away in another for balance or else we get too powerful.

Pretty much this. With the combo system, only the first WS uses tp. Some combos (I think) have 3 or 4 WSes in them, so it's like getting a 4x damage WS for the price of one. Kinda OP with our current rate of tp generation.

[AmandaHuggenkiss]

Throwing weapons FTW!

[BlaiseLallaise]

That all makes sense, but wouldn't removing the TP-generating abilities not be a big enough hit? Auto-attack is still pretty slow on it's own as is. Or at least in my experience.

Regardless, thanks for clearing that up for me.

[Viridiana]

That all makes sense, but wouldn't removing the TP-generating abilities not be a big enough hit? Auto-attack is still pretty slow on it's own as is. Or at least in my experience.

Regardless, thanks for clearing that up for me.

Well, let's take PGL for example. Depending on weapon, you're hitting every three seconds or so (3.3 seconds on Ifrit Claws, 3.2 on other Claws). Each auto-attack currently gives, what, 400 TP or so? So, around the 10 second mark you'd be able to launch 3 weaponskills, which, if you spaced them out, would give you the TP you need to start your next combo. . .

[BlaiseLallaise]

Well, let's take PGL for example. Depending on weapon, you're hitting every three seconds or so (3.3 seconds on Ifrit Claws, 3.2 on other Claws). Each auto-attack currently gives, what, 400 TP or so? So, around the 10 second mark you'd be able to launch 3 weaponskills, which, if you spaced them out, would give you the TP you need to start your next combo. . .

Sounds reasonable to me. By reducing TP gain through auto-attack, they're effectively forcing us to either have to wait for more TP before the next combo, or really space them out. How much time might we get to execute combos where they retain their 'combo' status and not just revert back to a normal weapon skill? Eh, I'll find out soon enough.

[Betelgeuzah]

TP is already pretty trivial as it is. I won't say what they're doing here is the right thing to do, but I think the system needed balancing.

[Belial]

TP is already pretty trivial as it is. I won't say what they're doing here is the right thing to do, but I think the system needed balancing.

Yea, I agree. Especially as Marauder & Lancer I very rarely have to actively build TP, it's generally just always there. I welcome some better decision-making in my gameplay.

[Orophin]

This may work out ok. On the surface it sounds like it's going to slow down combat, but after looking over some of the WS data it may end up being the same.

1000 TP WS typically have a 10-20s CD
1500 TP WS typically have a 20-30s CD
2000+ TP WS typically have a 60-80s CD

Let's say they lower the TP per hit from 500 to 300. It would take 30 seconds of uninterrupted auto-attacks at an attack delay of 3s to build up enough TP to get to 3000 TP, however, all the high TP moves chain off of a 1500 TP WS. So the way I see things working from a DPS standpoint, you get 1500 TP, do your high damage chain, get 1000 or 1500 TP, do those chain combos until your high cooldown skills are about to refresh, and rinse and repeat.