Can we get some sort of content gate for level 70 content?

[Averax]

I remember when wow did something like this.

You had to clear silver in the proving grounds for your chosen role.

For DPS. It was basically just a few encounters that taught you basic situational awareness, how to understand mechanics, and made sure you were capable of clearing dps checks (ilvl was scaled, of course, putting everyone on equal footing).

For Healers, you had to keep a party of NPCs alive through various scenarios, learn basic cooldown and mana management for when things get tough, and how to prioritize dispelling debuffs on your party members.

For Tanks... well, i never did this one personally, but to my knowledge you had to take a party of NPCs and protect them while being healed by a sub-par healing npc. It taught tanks how to sustain themselves effectively through proper cooldown usage and keep aggro.

They were actually easier than i'm making them sound at the silver level of difficulty. At gold, things get more hectic all over the place, but silver is just a very average difficulty (bronze just makes sure that you are classified as a living organism)

It was great, the people who were incapable of completing them whined on the forums, but the quality of players you'd run into in random heroic dungeons was greatly increased (the average level of self awareness increased from dead tuna to sentient nihilistic pumpkin), and queues didn't take much of a hit. People who were bad were forced to learn and improve their gameplay to meet the most basic standards, or they were forced to sulk in their shame.

[Dalmacus]

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Omg that sounds kinda awesome to play..

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I remember when wow did something like this.

You had to clear silver in the proving grounds for your chosen role.

For DPS. It was basically just a few encounters that taught you basic situational awareness, how to understand mechanics, and made sure you were capable of clearing dps checks (ilvl was scaled, of course, putting everyone on equal footing).

For Healers, you had to keep a party of NPCs alive through various scenarios, learn basic cooldown and mana management for when things get tough, and how to prioritize dispelling debuffs on your party members.

For Tanks... well, i never did this one personally, but to my knowledge you had to take a party of NPCs and protect them while being healed by a sub-par healing npc. It taught tanks how to sustain themselves effectively through proper cooldown usage and keep aggro.

They were actually easier than i'm making them sound at the silver level of difficulty. At gold, things get more hectic all over the place, but silver is just a very average difficulty (bronze just makes sure that you are classified as a living organism)

It was great, the people who were incapable of completing them whined on the forums, but the quality of players you'd run into in random heroic dungeons was greatly increased (the average level of self awareness increased from dead tuna to sentient nihilistic pumpkin), and queues didn't take much of a hit. People who were bad were forced to learn and improve their gameplay to meet the most basic standards, or they were forced to sulk in their shame.

While initially opposed, I actually like a system like this. Nothing too overbearing, but enough to at least prove you're competent at the job you've selected. That way we perhaps lessen the tanks who refuse to use cooldowns; the DPS who can't do more than spam one button or the healers and etc. It won't happen though since SE doesn't like restricting content to anyone.

The content gate is having to level from 60 to 70.

Some will do it quickly, some will be slower. Some are already getting a head start on learning or relearning a job, others are going to hit 70 and still have no idea.

Fact is, Stormblood is one big equalizer for everyone. Who and what kind of player people become is all up to them.

Yes and no. I can currently queue into The Vault with Ironworks gear and not a single Bard skill; not one. I wouldn't call that a content gate seeing as how level is largely irrelevant. Anyone who has experienced Ironworks gear in the Vault knows how fun that is. You should at least be required to wear appropriate gear.

[Hamada]

While initially opposed, I actually like a system like this. Nothing too overbearing, but enough to at least prove you're competent at the job you've selected. That way we perhaps lessen the tanks who refuse to use cooldowns; the DPS who can't do more than spam one button or the healers and etc. It won't happen though since SE doesn't like restricting content to anyone.



Yes and no. I can currently queue into The Vault with Ironworks gear and not a single Bard skill; not one. I wouldn't call that a content gate seeing as how level is largely irrelevant. Anyone who has experienced Ironworks gear in the Vault knows how fun that is. You should at least be required to wear appropriate gear.

idk about 120 but i def see issues under that, 130 ironworks is fine for that place though. You can get to 60 off it

[Warlyx]

I remember when wow did something like this.

You had to clear silver in the proving grounds for your chosen role.

For DPS. It was basically just a few encounters that taught you basic situational awareness, how to understand mechanics, and made sure you were capable of clearing dps checks (ilvl was scaled, of course, putting everyone on equal footing).

For Healers, you had to keep a party of NPCs alive through various scenarios, learn basic cooldown and mana management for when things get tough, and how to prioritize dispelling debuffs on your party members.

For Tanks... well, i never did this one personally, but to my knowledge you had to take a party of NPCs and protect them while being healed by a sub-par healing npc. It taught tanks how to sustain themselves effectively through proper cooldown usage and keep aggro.

we have that already is called hall of the novice , but is easy since u are lvl 15 , a "hall of the veteran "70" version would be the same thing

[dragonseth07]

It was great, the people who were incapable of completing them whined on the forums, but the quality of players you'd run into in random heroic dungeons was greatly increased (the average level of self awareness increased from dead tuna to sentient nihilistic pumpkin), and queues didn't take much of a hit. People who were bad were forced to learn and improve their gameplay to meet the most basic standards, or they were forced to sulk in their shame.

And then the whiners on the forums won and it was removed, and player quality tanked again.

[ErikMynhier]

Look, if you don't like how players play, don't advocate for nonsense draconian rules that hamstring all of us.

I don't get where this need to control all other player's experience comes from, but instead of this dictator nonsense just.....

MAKE A STATIC!!!!

[savageink]

Look, if you don't like how players play, don't advocate for nonsense draconian rules that hamstring all of us.

I don't get where this need to control all other player's experience comes from, but instead of this dictator nonsense just.....

MAKE A STATIC!!!!

Thanks... saved me the trouble. The party finder is good for finding people who want their dungeons to run like well oiled machines to find others of like mind. The DF is for random chaos and wipes....but they pay you in tomes and stuff. If you can't stand healers who blow all their MP on AoEs or tanks who can't keep aggro, or DPS who forget not to stand in the fire, then don't roulette. Do you know how many loot coffers have been missed because some speed running tank just blew through the dungeon? Or how many speed running tanks have died because the rest of the PUG was looking for the loot while he was pulling the whole set of trash to the first boss? Actually, that one usually makes me laugh.

[AmeliaVerves]

The party finder is good for finding people who want their dungeons to run like well oiled machines to find others of like mind.

Sadly it is not. I tried to farm Nidhogg EX yesterday to get the bird, but people with bonus entered (we wrote 'no bonus please') and people who had no clue what they were doing there.
Apart from the fact they didn't know the fight, they especially didn't know how to handle their job, which was quite annoying to find in a farm group.

So, because I had a whole lot of those experiences I would apreciate some kind of gate for people who want to enter savage raids or ex primals. Story Content and general dungeons should be free for everyone, though!

[Daralii]

Sadly it is not. I tried to farm Nidhogg EX yesterday to get the bird, but people with bonus entered (we wrote 'no bonus please') and people who had no clue what they were doing there.
Apart from the fact they didn't know the fight, they especially didn't know how to handle their job, which was quite annoying to find in a farm group.

So, because I had a whole lot of those experiences I would apreciate some kind of gate for people who want to enter savage raids or ex primals. Story Content and general dungeons should be free for everyone, though!

Easiest thing would just be to keep the EX unlocks sequential, like they were for Ifrit/Titan/Garuda and Bismark/Ravana.