How's BLM looking?

[Neela]

(just another sensless irrelevant bla)

It's really cute if you try to sound serious darling that makes me smile even more - never the less i must admit that it's hard for me telling you that our deep bond of love is coming to an end... you sucked in HW and most probably will suck in SB. So i do as well giving everybody a hard time following our discussions (if it can be called "discussion" at all...). Bugging people and peoples opinions i actually respect just because your attitude drove my crazy with every single post you wrote. I truely have to apologize to the comm for that. I dont wanna end up like you ingame without friends/fc/static nor like a joke in this forum - without any selfreflection... so ya im sry for all the trouble, my emphathy was kinda low and selfish the last days because it was so much fun seeing a fail after another on your side - but i didnt notice that this behavior made myself look like as dumb and weakminded as you are... with the difference to know when it's actually enough - even for me. And this is right now.

Some people just stay dumb, ego and weakminded no matter what... and those deserve to live in stupidity their whole life - wish you all the best.

[Greedalox]

Well with all due respect, I still don't see how breaking one job and boosting another to enormous damage levels helps that.

That will still mean you never fixed your "power creep" problem... you just broke something else.

I'm confused. Are you arguing about BLM or SMN. I'm saying giving SMN more without ever taking anything is power creep. BLM has paid it's dues in 3.x. The 2 jobs are seperate, and the balance between them is a bit more dynamic than up and down.

[Silverquick]

Maintaining Enochian was never the hard part about 3.0 BLM, maintaining Astral Fire was. Very little has changed in that regard.

Actually I'm not so sure about that,

In heavy mechanics or movement fights I don't and can't even use Enochian. The other day I decided to just refresh a bit since I haven't been playing much over the last few days.

So I just did an Expert Roulette. Went really smooth through Baelsar's Wall, destroyed the other boss mobs like they were nothing... but then came the Ilberd fight... It was so bad I stopped even trying after a certain point and just ran with normal BLM damage with Fire I's and Procs.

And that doesn't even include some of the really intensive stuff like Sophia Ex or some of the Alex Raids.

[Silverquick]

I'm confused. Are you arguing about BLM or SMN. I'm saying giving SMN more without ever taking anything is power creep. BLM has paid it's dues in 3.x. The 2 jobs are seperate, and the balance between them is a bit more dynamic than up and down.

Well here's the question...

Why did BLM have to "pay its dues" 3.0... it was pointless.

If they'd have left it alone it only would have meant it was closer to Summoner AoE.

So it was completely pointless to do it... there was no need to "pay any dues".

In the end... it accomplished nothing... other than perhaps torque off BLMs and push some players to SMN.

Was there some reason that needed to be done?

SMN could have stood on its own merits from the beginning.

[Greedalox]

Well here's the question...

Why did BLM have to "pay its dues" 3.0... it was pointless.

If they'd have left it alone it only would have meant it was closer to Summoner AoE.

So it was completely pointless to do it... there was no need to "pay any dues".

Because they probably felt that BLM aoe was too strong, and now it looks like they feel that SMN aoe is too strong.

[Silverquick]

Because they probably felt that BLM aoe was too strong, and now it looks like they feel that SMN aoe is too strong.

So basically in your words... they broke BLM AoE... and then Boosted the SMN AoE... in 3.0 to make BLM "pay a price"

And never achieved their attempt to prevent "power creep".

So now they break SMN AoE... Boost BLM AoE... And likely will end up in the same shoes.

And it never occurred to you how pointless that was?

[Greedalox]

So basically in your words... they broke BLM AoE... and then Boosted the SMN AoE... in 3.0 to make BLM "pay a price"

And never achieved their attempt to prevent "power creep".

So now they break SMN AoE... Boost BLM AoE... And likely will end up in the same shoes.

And it never occurred to you how pointless that was?

First off, lets stop with the exaggeration and hyperbole that either class has ever been placed in a state of being broken. That alone quells your argument quite a bit.

Second, you're acting like Buff/Nerf on both classes happened in equal increments- which they haven't. There's different levels of "Buff/Nerf AOE+ Single Target", you can have a little, a lot, potency values, damage drop offs. It's not just Buff and Nerf.

And anything outside of perfection is pointless in the grand scheme of things because it will just be altered again. All they can do is tweak and try for balance- even if that means not getting it the first time.

Both classes have seen the limelight and at the same time not castrated and removed the other from the game.

[Silverquick]

Well if it had a point Greedalox... it would have been different... but it didn't.

It never achieved anything in the end, and it was completely pointless. BLM was just fine where it was. There was no need to nerf Flare.

In fact if they hadn't done that, it would have ended up closer to SMN anyway.

All it did achieve was a bunch of torqued off BLMs and people running to SMN.

And in the end it didn't make a damn bit of difference.

I understand what you're trying to say... but these things they're doing aren't achieving anything but the opposite of what they intended.

[Greedalox]

I understand what you're trying to say... but these things they're doing aren't achieving anything but the opposite of what they intended.

How so? You're trying to make it sound like the only balance measurement needed is SMN vs BLM when it's SMN vs BLM vs MCH vs BRD vs DRG and so on. When your only unit of measurement is 2 classes out of the the dynamics of every class in the game of course your view is going to be skewed. I'm sure SE's though process involves a bit than "Today we want BLM to be worse than SMN- so lets do that." and more of a question on a classes role in composition.

You can pretend all you want that there's never a need to tone something down even in the situation that the toning down needs to be pulled back, but welcome to online gaming with a many class based system. You're going to have ups and downs, ebb and flows, nerfs and buffs. Pointless or not it exists and isn't going away.

[Silverquick]

How so? You're trying to make it sound like the only balance measurement needed is SMN vs BLM when it's SMN vs BLM vs MCH vs BRD vs DRG and so on. When your only unit of measurement is 2 classes out of the the dynamics of every class in the game of course your view is going to be skewed.

I'm only comparing BLM and SMN because they are the two magical DPS classes...
If the problems is balance between magical DPS jobs and melee DPS jobs... that's a different kind of balance, but something like that affects both jobs... you don't totally rewrite one of them and nerf it and then boost the other one... that's not balancing Magical DPS jobs against Melee DPS jobs... its balancing them against each other.

But there's more...

'm sure SE's though process involves a bit than "Today we want BLM to be worse than SMN- so lets do that." and more of a question on a classes role in composition.

Why exactly would someone do that?

Did it ever occur to you that's more like a bait and switch... sell them one thing, then snatch it and replace it with something completely different?

And you never thought that was going to torque people off or make them abandon the job they were playing because... that was never what they wanted to play in the first place?

.....or just cause more imbalances than it fixes? Like the Flare Nerf in 3.0?

That's not balance my friend... nor is it somehow stopping "power creep".

It's just pointless rearranging for the sake of rearranging.