How's BLM looking?

[Greedalox]

And if you thought SMN damage was god like compared to BLM... then its more likely a problem with the way you play BLM... not because of any Summoner.

Not necessarily true. SMN has spent more of this games life being stronger than BLM. That's not a play style thing really, that's just numbers. Now I'd never make my claims on how SMN will fare against BLM until it launches tomorrow, but all classes are part of the ebb and flow of balance and it's a lot easier to accept that balance on the launch of an expansion is even further out of reach than it is normally. There really is a time and a place to complain about your place in the hierarchy, I just don't think it's before any content we'll be touching in the first 2 weeks while SE will be at the apex of modifications. If you're absurdly weak on launch, expect to get buffs in the near future. It's not that big of a deal.

[Silverquick]

Not necessarily true. SMN has spent more of this games life being stronger than BLM. That's not a play style thing really, that's just numbers. Now I'd never make my claims on how SMN will fare against BLM until it launches tomorrow, but all classes are part of the ebb and flow of balance

Well lets face it... when it came to some instances.... every job was stronger than BLM.

Even Bards were beating it in heavy movement mechanics dungeons.

But that had more to do with how fragile Enochian was... not the actual damage output of a BLM, it was so bad... all the other jobs (not just SMN) were beating it specific various instances.

This is why on the last page we were all talking about how good these changes were for BLM... specifically the Enochian unlock. It quite literally removes the limiters on BLM... and combined with the Thunder AoE buff... It covers some needed things from BLM in 3.0.

There is no need for "ebb and flow"... here.... you just needed a "flow".

They now have movement that won't completely wreck their DPS anymore. Even if they have to move... A single Fire 3 and right back to Fire 4's. No waiting anymore for something with a 60 second recast timer.

That was the important part... You don't need to break something else and create another imbalance, or you just end up in the same shoes you started in with some other job, and you'll be fixing that later. Smart play is not to break it in the first place.

[Greedalox]

There is no need for "ebb and flow"... here.... you just needed a "flow".

You do actually. Giving and giving is power creep- and it kills games.

[Silverquick]

You do actually. Giving and giving is power creep- and it kills games.

Well with all due respect, I still don't see how breaking one job and boosting another to enormous damage levels helps that.

That will still mean you never fixed your "power creep" problem... you just broke something else.

[Greedalox]

Well with all due respect, I still don't see how breaking one job and boosting another to enormous damage levels helps that.

That will still mean you never fixed your "power creep" problem... you just broke something else.

I'm confused. Are you arguing about BLM or SMN. I'm saying giving SMN more without ever taking anything is power creep. BLM has paid it's dues in 3.x. The 2 jobs are seperate, and the balance between them is a bit more dynamic than up and down.

[Silverquick]

I'm confused. Are you arguing about BLM or SMN. I'm saying giving SMN more without ever taking anything is power creep. BLM has paid it's dues in 3.x. The 2 jobs are seperate, and the balance between them is a bit more dynamic than up and down.

Well here's the question...

Why did BLM have to "pay its dues" 3.0... it was pointless.

If they'd have left it alone it only would have meant it was closer to Summoner AoE.

So it was completely pointless to do it... there was no need to "pay any dues".

In the end... it accomplished nothing... other than perhaps torque off BLMs and push some players to SMN.

Was there some reason that needed to be done?

SMN could have stood on its own merits from the beginning.

[Greedalox]

Well here's the question...

Why did BLM have to "pay its dues" 3.0... it was pointless.

If they'd have left it alone it only would have meant it was closer to Summoner AoE.

So it was completely pointless to do it... there was no need to "pay any dues".

Because they probably felt that BLM aoe was too strong, and now it looks like they feel that SMN aoe is too strong.