How's BLM looking?

[Psycofang]

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Its not wishful thinking if meta comps exactly like what i described happened in creator. Which it did.

I have 1500 comms big woop, most of them were from tanking and healing at bare minimal effort. Do a good job on dps, manage aggro, apply e4e etc zipp no comms.

That measily 10% is exactly why ppl took ninja/bard etc definitely wasnt their monk like ST (it wasnt because they didnt have it).

By that logic they shouldve taken monk over you but oh damn monk got meta bench too.

Worry about what? Come to levi ill torch that piety build of yours. Its not about smn doing damage its about smn "mains" whining that they can no longer do almost blm level damage, god mode aoe, high mobility without having yo pay for it.

Thats all this has been about but keep pretending its not.

[Silverquick]

Worry about what? Come to levi ill torch that piety build of yours. Its not about smn doing damage its about smn "mains" whining that they can no longer do almost blm level damage, god mode aoe, high mobility without having yo pay for it.

Thats all this has been about but keep pretending its not.

You know your writing style... is remarkably similar to Neela's... and I don't mean content wise... kinda suspicious to me.

That said... What Planet are you living on...

I don't hear any Summoner asking for BLM single target level damage... I only see them asking for their normal damage back... and see no reason for a nerf.

Especially with Black Mage being unlocked in the Single target damage and no longer locked behind Enochian and restoring their mobility, and getting a boost to AoE damage.

I don't know where you are getting that idea.

And if you thought SMN damage was god like compared to BLM... then its more likely a problem with the way you play BLM... not because of any Summoner.

[Greedalox]

And if you thought SMN damage was god like compared to BLM... then its more likely a problem with the way you play BLM... not because of any Summoner.

Not necessarily true. SMN has spent more of this games life being stronger than BLM. That's not a play style thing really, that's just numbers. Now I'd never make my claims on how SMN will fare against BLM until it launches tomorrow, but all classes are part of the ebb and flow of balance and it's a lot easier to accept that balance on the launch of an expansion is even further out of reach than it is normally. There really is a time and a place to complain about your place in the hierarchy, I just don't think it's before any content we'll be touching in the first 2 weeks while SE will be at the apex of modifications. If you're absurdly weak on launch, expect to get buffs in the near future. It's not that big of a deal.

[Silverquick]

Not necessarily true. SMN has spent more of this games life being stronger than BLM. That's not a play style thing really, that's just numbers. Now I'd never make my claims on how SMN will fare against BLM until it launches tomorrow, but all classes are part of the ebb and flow of balance

Well lets face it... when it came to some instances.... every job was stronger than BLM.

Even Bards were beating it in heavy movement mechanics dungeons.

But that had more to do with how fragile Enochian was... not the actual damage output of a BLM, it was so bad... all the other jobs (not just SMN) were beating it specific various instances.

This is why on the last page we were all talking about how good these changes were for BLM... specifically the Enochian unlock. It quite literally removes the limiters on BLM... and combined with the Thunder AoE buff... It covers some needed things from BLM in 3.0.

There is no need for "ebb and flow"... here.... you just needed a "flow".

They now have movement that won't completely wreck their DPS anymore. Even if they have to move... A single Fire 3 and right back to Fire 4's. No waiting anymore for something with a 60 second recast timer.

That was the important part... You don't need to break something else and create another imbalance, or you just end up in the same shoes you started in with some other job, and you'll be fixing that later. Smart play is not to break it in the first place.

[Greedalox]

There is no need for "ebb and flow"... here.... you just needed a "flow".

You do actually. Giving and giving is power creep- and it kills games.

[Silverquick]

You do actually. Giving and giving is power creep- and it kills games.

Well with all due respect, I still don't see how breaking one job and boosting another to enormous damage levels helps that.

That will still mean you never fixed your "power creep" problem... you just broke something else.

[Greedalox]

Well with all due respect, I still don't see how breaking one job and boosting another to enormous damage levels helps that.

That will still mean you never fixed your "power creep" problem... you just broke something else.

I'm confused. Are you arguing about BLM or SMN. I'm saying giving SMN more without ever taking anything is power creep. BLM has paid it's dues in 3.x. The 2 jobs are seperate, and the balance between them is a bit more dynamic than up and down.

[Psycofang]

You know your writing style... is remarkably similar to Neela's... and I don't mean content wise... kinda suspicious to me.

This is a low brow attempt to discredit someone, if youre fishing to really do it back it up with real evidence.

That said... What Planet are you living on...

Earth maybe youve heard of it?

I don't hear any Summoner asking for BLM single target level damage... I only see them asking for their normal damage back... and see no reason for a nerf.

Their normal damage WAS near blm level damage, the fact you dnt even know this tells me everything i need to know.

Especially with Black Mage being unlocked in the Single target damage and no longer locked behind Enochian and restoring their mobility, and getting a boost to AoE damage.

We were never locked behind enochian, AF3 was more damaging than enochian was and if i have to explain why that only tells me everything else about you.

I don't know where you are getting that idea.

You whining and fear mongering over the last few weeks?
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And if you thought SMN damage was god like compared to BLM... then its more likely a problem with the way you play BLM... not because of any Summoner.

If you think it wasnt then you definitely were not playing smn that well

Yay psy and I are the same person, your arguments are to tough for me and my follower xserver fc that I use 2 accs now - cmn really? xD
Im more curious where your blm buddy with a postcounter of 16 came out of nowhere claiming the same bs u do since weeks.... *mystery*

You two are really funny guys :3

actually yeah kinda weird that another poster with only 16 posts, claiming the same exact things as ol boy over here right after he claimed that you could switch accounts to back yourself up.

which is childish.

That says more about your skill level than anything. I use my SMN gear when I play BLM (sub-600 SS after factoring in different weapon) and could maintain Enochian in savage raids and extreme primals without much issue. Even back when all we had was Gordias, I never found Enochian hard to manage with mechanics. The harder thing was making sure not to let Astral Fire drop off while handling mechanics because I was trying to squeeze out Fire 4s.

thats the real truth of the matter, it was never enoch it was AF getting beamed by mechanics. Even then if you had a patient group youd learn and ease into never losing or knowing when to stop it short.

I'm confused. Are you arguing about BLM or SMN. I'm saying giving SMN more without ever taking anything is power creep. BLM has paid it's dues in 3.x. The 2 jobs are seperate, and the balance between them is a bit more dynamic than up and down.

he doesnt understand, ive been saying that smn got it all for free since hw.

Flare got nerfed to the ground.

called it.

i knew those tool tips werent going to let blm have a 30% max DR and everyone else gets 50%+

[Neela]

actually yeah kinda weird that another poster with only 16 posts, claiming the same exact things as ol boy over here right after he claimed that you could switch accounts to back yourself up.

which is childish.

he's childish ever since...

he probably noticed that nobody ever agreed on anything he ever posted. starting to insult characters, imputing people dont know what they are talking about although they talk bout their mains or even they havent played their cls at all, imputing people follow him in every thread just to pick a fight cause they would be obssesed by him, followed by imputing to call out friends until using different forum accs to backup themselves, replying with sensless bla which is total irrelevant to the topic/current discussions points cause he dont know what to say else -> only shows that for him it's not about to share/discuss or learn something in this community but just to have the biggest one out of all. enough for me. should be enough for everybody else as well... but however...

Still sitting on Marbellas beach unable to login myself until the 21th -> i wish all of u a lot of fun with the early access <3 looking forward what you guys find out in the first few days :3