How's BLM looking?

[CecMiller]

See that's a whole other story. Being concerned on how the job plays is a valid concern (SE can't please everyone though). The problem is that the vast majority of SMN's right now are just screaming about their lack of potency on abilities and how they are re-rolling because of it. Which to me personally, is absurdly premature and completely ridiculous.

I mean I can understand the outcry of summoners too. With the changes we've seen, Summoner AOE has been hammered. I too did love the absolute deletion power the summoners had in dungeons. The MASSIVE bane nerf (rip scholars seriously like what the heck) followed by a deathflare nerf (this ability was probably overpowered but god damn it is so nice) and the fact that shadowflare is now once every 60s (pray the tank gathers it inside shadowflare). We also lose out on Blizzard 2 for our AOE and Miasma 2 (to be fair, I hardly used this shitty spell). The bane nerf by itself is massive but we have to remember that we have 2 dots with a total of 80 potency per sec which can't be extended by 15 seconds anymore vs. 110 potency per sec which can be extended on live. This means bane was already going to be doing less damage to mobs in general. This is taking into account contagion's 15 second dot extension - without it, the damage is relatively the same over 30 seconds with a slight nerf but over 18 seconds, its a full 30 potency per second difference due to the length of the Bio 1 Dot.This actually does mean something because it means the adds would be at a lower HP total after 18 seconds (or 18 + 15s from contagion) than it would be with the 4.0 changes and if they died before bio had worn off, it means that the adds died faster (due to the 110 potency/s vs. 4.0's 80 potency/s)

THAT BEING SAID: Personally, I won't really care. Sure I will miss the insane summoner AOE but I was spamming BLM for dungeons before I found the power that summoners had in terms of AOE and as you said, its just a numbers game. If the nerfs are too harsh and summoners are vocal about it, I'm sure SE would do something. If people did really love the massive AOE damage and it was found that BLM's did more than SMN and significantly so, then I think those would be content playing BLM and accomplishing the same thing.... kinda ( Deathflare is too cool D: ). I was just hoping people were more vocal about the general play style of the summoner job becoming more boring than before due to its (in my opinion) oversimplification.

[Psycofang]

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Youre not even reading any of this properly are you?

- mouse overs are not hard, quick interface even on ps4 is not hard especially with its 30y range

-you will be taken because of your bard like utility, your damage went down but usefulness went up. If damage was everything blm wouldnt have gotten benched. Smns are going to be wanted for comps with a blm/rdm in it because smn boosts magic damage for dps and healers.

-ppl comm you for 0 reason, entirely rng or even just because you were a dps even if they never noticed you.

-youre a - dps - who gives a flying F if you raised an alliance? I practically carried one on blm and guess what? No one cared.

Ppl only notice buffs %s and bad dps and that\\'s what theyll notice on smn. Buff %s and speed.

[Silverquick]

Youre not even reading any of this properly are you?

-you will be taken because of your bard like utility, your damage went down but usefulness went up. If damage was everything blm wouldnt have gotten benched. Smns are going to be wanted for comps with a blm/rdm in it because smn boosts magic damage for dps and healers..

No we're not... that is simply wishful thinking...

Not reality...

I have 360 Coms on both BLM and SMN... not once other than way back in the early levels when I sometimes took over main healing for a bad or dead healer... did anyone ever give a damn about my "utility" as a SMN...

Nor are they likely to for a measley 10%.... not when they can grab a Bard... and do sooo much more.

They Com'd me or invited me for my DPS... either Single Target + AoE for BLM... or my AoE as a Summoner.

EDIT: But don't worry... I highly doubt... if things don't change drastically prior to launch... you won't ever need to worry about a SMN showing you up in DPS again... there won't be any... nor are they going to stick around to be your personal Mana Battery... the days of FFXI are long gone...

[Psycofang]

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Its not wishful thinking if meta comps exactly like what i described happened in creator. Which it did.

I have 1500 comms big woop, most of them were from tanking and healing at bare minimal effort. Do a good job on dps, manage aggro, apply e4e etc zipp no comms.

That measily 10% is exactly why ppl took ninja/bard etc definitely wasnt their monk like ST (it wasnt because they didnt have it).

By that logic they shouldve taken monk over you but oh damn monk got meta bench too.

Worry about what? Come to levi ill torch that piety build of yours. Its not about smn doing damage its about smn "mains" whining that they can no longer do almost blm level damage, god mode aoe, high mobility without having yo pay for it.

Thats all this has been about but keep pretending its not.

[Neela]

Psy don't get mad - Silver doesn't have had a static nor he ever will be able to join one - if people talk about the use of utility he thinks of alliance raids. He hasn't played any unnerfed savage raids without echo nor progress with a premade party from the scratch. Someone like him will never understand the worth of utility. The only thing what matters are big numbers because obviously that's the only thing he understands in theorycrafting.

Confrontated him with this issue more than once but he won't get it no matter how often me or others try to explain :3

edit: being proud of coms is a hint to his low experience as well - most people rng their coms for their daily/weekly agenda throwing them blindly on ANYONE on top of the grp list just to get out of the dng faster. He on the other hand really thinks he got those for *skill*... - let him dream on that's everything he has at all.

edit2: oh wow silver-honey now you got an invitation to the Levi Server as well after you ignored mine to Zodiark - what's the matter? Afraid of being kick assed hard? Proofing your words are not more than crap? Or will you simply oversee it again? Like u do everytime you dont know what to say... ^^

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[Neela]

So I gotta ask. If RDM turns out to be even marginally stronger than BLM or SMN. Is that the deciding factor to you? Do you switch mains without a second thought?

Unless you are in a very hardcore raid group- why does it matter which is the 'best'? Play what you enjoy playing the most.

Because most people (not pointing on you Cec more in general) want to claim "being meta" on their flag what's sad. Everytime a job gets op the cls community increased drastically Mnk, Ast, Drg, Smn now Blm... there will always be wtjs in every mmo who join top tier jobs cause of being top tier and not cause they actually really like the cls. And than there are the ones who actually fall in love with a certain cls who stick to them even in bad times like AAR Bards, AAR Smn, HW Whm etc. because they like everything around it story, design, gameplay and other points aside of pure numbers.

[Remedi]

I'll be frank I think BLM will be an hindrance in 4 man content like Potd(180+ floors) compared to RDM and SMN both (while RDM will be the best one probably).

[Maero]

That's because you're all content with the changes so there's nothing for you to discuss.

lol fair enough

[EllieShadeflare]

Cherry picking single scenarios over all emcompassing situations is a bad argument at best.

Can I just go over this and show why this is wrong,

Super virus version of magic down

Super Virus? You mean the magic half of our old virus, through Addle.

Devotion dps increase and damage down

Which was nerfed before release, if E3 has any legitimacy.

Foes from garuda

You... never paid attention to my other posts, because I point out the Garuda's Foe's Requiem, did you?

Battle raise

If you rely on this, your static, party or alliance had messed up beyond all belief.

Mana transfer

We're not giving you any of our MP. We don't have the MP to spare, beyond ourselves. Bug your Black Mage for MP.

Apocostasis from blm

You already lost the argument by using Mana Shift, you lost it further. Cross Role isn't job specific utility.

Part two of this post will be here in a bit.