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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiroe View Post
    At 64 blm was doing better than a smn and rdm in normal dungeons, du to thunder iv.

    But at 70 blm get foul, 30 every 30 sec only, if they don't drop an astral, which can happen faster than before. Spells peed is slower and you cant move as early as before when finishing a cast. Blm has feels more clunky, like during 3.0 and 3.1, new moves aside.

    At 70 the smn have an equal footing, smn get buffed between 64 an 70.
    Foul is once per minute. Upon using foul polygot drops.
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    Why once per minute? When polyglot falls off, won't it be reapplied as soon as enochian is up again for 30 sec, and therefor foul can be reused?
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    Arcanist Lv 85
    I am no hardcore raider and I probably know even less about how each caster job works perfectly, but I just get the feeling that the devs are trying to create better caster synergy. This way, casters are even more viable than ever in raids and so forth. I feel that when adjusting all of the jobs, the devs looked at it from the perspective of raiding and overall synergy combined with damage output. SMN = High Mobility (caster buffer/debuffer/Excellent Utility), BLM = High ST and good AOE/no utility, RDM = Speedy damage/utility/mobility/okay ST/subpar AOE until you get the rest of the kit. Just my opinion.
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    With the recent role changes though, all casters dps have some sort of utility, even if it is not what we would like it to be. I am sure, same as everyone, if the devs see that SMN is underperforming by to great a margin then it will be adjusted. I think for now, all of the caster dps are okay but they could still do with some minor adjustments here and there. Beyond that, I feel that with all of the utility additions to SMN, I WANT to be in a party with a SMN/RDM because they buff everyones damge. It is kind of like SMN/RDM are in a good position to raid etc. Again, just my opinion.
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    Waliel Hla
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    Quote Originally Posted by MagiusNecros View Post
    Umbral Heart lets you get off 5 F2 before Flare so that's cool I guess.
    The sad part it is that F2 is not worth it on 3 mobs anymore :<
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    yep, f2 feels a bit broken imo., even if t4 is supposed to compensate that...,

    f2 should do 90 Base, would equal f4, if f2 is done on 3 mobs (one of the most commen mob set up), and lower f2 mp cost, a bit lower than f4 mp, just to be able to maybe get am extant cast if done under u-hearts
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiroe View Post
    Why once per minute? When polyglot falls off, won't it be reapplied as soon as enochian is up again for 30 sec, and therefor foul can be reused?
    It appears i was mistaken upon using foul the polygot gauge still keeps ticking towards another foul. So it IS every 30s.

    Mine apologies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waliel View Post
    The sad part it is that F2 is not worth it on 3 mobs anymore :<
    Youre correct as well f2 x 3 mobs = 444 potency and fire 4 is 481. Youll actively be punished aoeing until level 58.
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    So at current even with thunder 4 its better to thunder 4 then fire 4 anything at 3 mobs or below which is most pulls.

    4+ is now the new level for aoe to beT our single target until level 58 which i think our aoe will be something like f4 f4 flare flare on 3 mobs and f2 f2 flare flare on 4+.

    At current summoners aoe at -80% beats our fire 2 by 12 potency and only goes up as the dr decreases, mixed with garudas aoe, enkindles, 5s painflare and DT every minute and even with t4 summoner should beat our aoe on a static sample until 58.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycofang View Post
    At current summoners aoe at -80% beats our fire 2 by 12 potency and only goes up as the dr decreases, mixed with garudas aoe, enkindles, 5s painflare and DT every minute and even with t4 summoner should beat our aoe on a static sample until 58.
    Just waiting for my "Blm buddy" to reply for this ;3
    (couldn't resist sry .__. Psy hopefully you know that I actually really like you)
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    Last edited by Neela; 06-19-2017 at 07:51 AM.

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